Tojiro or Yaxell?

Tojiro DP F808 Chef Knife 210mm vs Yaxell Sayaka S-0 Chef Knife 200mm

  • Tojiro DP F808 Chef Knife 210mm

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  • Yaxell Sayaka S-0 Chef Knife 200mm

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Hey guys, currently I'm looking for a chef knife and i have came up with
- Tojiro DP F808 Chef Knife 210mm
- Yaxell Sayaka S-0 Chef Knife 200mm
between this two knives which one is better?

*In terms of pricing, Yaxell is cheaper than Tojiro.
 
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Tojiro all the way. 210 is on the small side but 200 is too small. The Yaxell Sayaka has a terrible grip. It really sucks. And ... it's give or take $40 more. Like I said ... Tojiro.

We're talking opinions here. It's a guarantee that someone else will think differently than me. That's OK.
 
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Tojiro all the way. 210 is on the small side but 200 is too small. The Yaxell Sayaka has a terrible grip. It really sucks. And ... it's give or take $40 more. Like I said ... Tojiro.

We're talking opinions here. It's a guarantee that someone else will think differently than me. That's OK.
Thank you for your opinion, appreciate it
 
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Tojiro sells for around $60, where do you see the Yaxel for less than $100? Both knives have the same steel, and likely the same level of HT and grind. Tojiro has been a major go-to in the entry level Japanese category, along with Fujiwara FKM/FKH. I'd take Iceman's word here.

You should understand that VG-10 steel is not so easy to sharpen

iHomeer sells a 210 in AUS-8 for around $15, and AUS-10 for around $60. Haven't heard anything bad about them yet, and you certainly can't beat those prices, worth a shot if you don't mind experimenting. AUS-10 is much preferable to VG-10 imho, many would prefer AUS-8 also, and the FKH uses it. Both are easier to sharpen than VG-10.
 
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Tojiro sells for around $60, where do you see the Yaxel for less than $100? Both knives have the same steel, and likely the same level of HT and grind. Tojiro has been a major go-to in the entry level Japanese category, along with Fujiwara FKM/FKH. I'd take Iceman's word here.

You should understand that VG-10 steel is not so easy to sharpen

iHomeer sells a 210 in AUS-8 for around $15, and AUS-10 for around $60. Haven't heard anything bad about them yet, and you certainly can't beat those prices, worth a shot if you don't mind experimenting. AUS-10 is much preferable to VG-10 imho, many would prefer AUS-8 also, and the FKH uses it. Both are easier to sharpen than VG-10.

Thank you so much for your opinion, it do helps me to know more.

Actually I'm from Malaysia, i saw the pricing through a site called "peteskitchenwares" where the knives are supply by a local. From there, yaxell is cheaper than tojiro and the choices of knives are very limited.

But in terms of edges retention, isn't it that VG-10 have a better edge retention than AUS-8?
 
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VG-10 will hold a "servieable" edge better than AUS-8, but the latter is arguably a better all around steel, it's certainly easier to sharpen, and doesn't chip. And definitely I'd take AUS-10 over VG-10.

We have heard that it is tough getting knives in Malaysia, sorry luck. I guess possibly it's either Tojiro or Yaxel for you.
 
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VG-10 will hold a "servieable" edge better than AUS-8, but the latter is arguably a better all around steel, it's certainly easier to sharpen, and doesn't chip. And definitely I'd take AUS-10 over VG-10.

We have heard that it is tough getting knives in Malaysia, sorry luck. I guess possibly it's either Tojiro or Yaxel for you.
Sadly, i couldn't find any knife with aus10.

Thank you :emoji_innocent:
 

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But in terms of edges retention, isn't it that VG-10 have a better edge retention than AUS-8?

Yes with large caveats comparing vg 10 to Aus 10.
There's plenty of variability in heat treat methods that will influence that more than the steel itself.

Aus 8 is about as soft as most German steel so isn't an improvement there IMHO.

In contrast to Rick, I'd pick vg10 over aus10. While somewhat more chip prone I think it's edge holding and toughness surpass the ease of edge taking and refinement aus 10 has over vg10.

This comes down to preferences I think. I find sharpening a chore. I would say that Rick seems to relish a level of edge refinement and polish I don't pursue.

For the tradeoffs I value in kitchen knife work, vg10 is better for me. And is what I mostly use.
 
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Yes with large caveats comparing vg 10 to Aus 10.
There's plenty of variability in heat treat methods that will influence that more than the steel itself.

Aus 8 is about as soft as most German steel so isn't an improvement there IMHO.

In contrast to Rick, I'd pick vg10 over aus10. While somewhat more chip prone I think it's edge holding and toughness surpass the ease of edge taking and refinement aus 10 has over vg10.

This comes down to preferences I think. I find sharpening a chore. I would say that Rick seems to relish a level of edge refinement and polish I don't pursue.

For the tradeoffs I value in kitchen knife work, vg10 is better for me. And is what I mostly use.
Thank you for your opinion:emoji_innocent:

If compare Tojiro DP F808 Chef Knife 210mm & Yaxell Sayaka S-0 Chef Knife 200mm, both knives used the same steel, so i will assume that both have the same characteristics.

But if in terms of craftsmanship, which one would you recommend?
 
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Thank you for your opinion:emoji_innocent:

If compare Tojiro DP F808 Chef Knife 210mm & Yaxell Sayaka S-0 Chef Knife 200mm, both knives used the same steel, so i will assume that both have the same characteristics.

But if in terms of craftsmanship, which one would you recommend?

I believe Iceman gave an answer to that one. I personally never used either knife, but never heard anyone of importance recommend the Yaxel, so I would definitely pick the Tojiro on that, because the Tojiro is always among recommendations here.
 
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Khim ... If you came in here and just asked for a simple recommendation ... I would have said Tojiro from the get-go. Again ... that's just my opinion ... but they are still, in the big picture, very good bang-for-the $$$.
 
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Khim ... If you came in here and just asked for a simple recommendation ... I would have said Tojiro from the get-go. Again ... that's just my opinion ... but they are still, in the big picture, very good bang-for-the $$$.
I believe Iceman gave an answer to that one. I personally never used either knife, but never heard anyone of importance recommend the Yaxel, so I would definitely pick the Tojiro on that, because the Tojiro is always among recommendations here.

Guess i will just go for tojiro.
Thx for the help
 
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