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Discussion in 'The Late Night Cafe (off-topic)' started by panini, May 16, 2006.

  1. panini

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    Not a political statement!
    But I would like to be the first Texan to appologise for the rediculous antics of our president to gain a few popularity points.
    Let's face it. Drop the word illegal immagrant and use Mexicans. This is the hunt. These idiot poloticians don't know the half. There are almost as many Mexicans comming in through Canada. Do ya think the cross here to go up north?
    I don't have the figures, but I'm sure there are as many other immigrants, illegally here, cumulativly. Where's the threats!!! Fines!! You MUST speak English. I speak english and I can't go get a slurpy, gas car wash, cab ride,etc. without having to point because I can't communicate.
    We need to stop the hunting of Mexicans!!!! We need to bring everyone to the party if we bring them. Illegal immigrants from all countries.
    Who's next??? Chineese,Italians,French?
    This is the hugest problem on the politicians plates right now!!!
    Yeah right! BTW lost a few more boys today in a helicopter crash!
    Did I hear Bush right that he made that soldier a citizen??? If so, does the word hypocrite sound right.
    Learn english so you can understand when were screwin ya.
     
  2. nentony

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    Hey Panini, sounded political to me. But no need for any texan to appologize. As I recall, the first thing on his agenda in the first term was to address this and to have a guest worker program. His first state visit was the Mexican President. I gather from your posts that this is an important issue for you. Clearly you feel strongly for your employees. Here in Florida we have similar issues, I'm a latino myself. I saw Bill Frist on T.V. today backing away from his obnoxious stand and backing a path for citizenship for undocumented aliens. The President sends some Nat'l Guard to help at the border and the house agree's to stop calling the undocumented felons. Sometimes, one hand washes the other. Here in FLA, the perception is the Bush Brothers are Latino friendly. When Jeb gives a speech, often times he re deliveres it in spanish. He's fluent. My wife & I get a kick out of that. On another note, I really loved your idea about a Mexican breakfast place. When you posted it in the Rick Bayless forum, all bells went off in my head and I've been thinking about it ever since.

    Tony
     
  3. crazytatt

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    Sorry...couldn't resist. Glad to see a rather off topic non cooking thread.

    Honestly, the only thing as of late I can agree on with Mr.Bush, is the whole National Anthem mumbo jumbo.H***, I share citizenships w/ the US and UK, and it erked me when a spanish anthem was introduced. When I lived in the Netherlands, I didn't whine and kick and scream untill I had everything I needed. I learned Dutch, even though 99% spoke english.

    If you move, imigrate(leagally or ill), adapt, learn and embrace the culture. And for so many imigrants to complain about things here, and our current state of affairs...why do they still come?!

    As a dual citizen in the U.S., I rather enjoy the ability to speak freely about these types of things. And to the next president, good luck, you have got your work cut out for ya.
     
  4. travisbickle

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    Illegal immigrants???? that's half of my kitchen....that's feeding most of my city! We need to start learning Spanish so we can build an army to defend ourselves against China. Their food is not all that good, so bare arms, Americans! It's our constitutional right and our duty to avoid being ruled by a people whose food s*cks!!!!!!
     
  5. panini

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    Nentony,
    You're right, it was probably political. I was just twisted. I have no concern for my employees, my small crew are all legal. We went through the whole friggin process last time this was brought up. No one remembers. It was a mess, period. I can remember dropping my pastrychef off at 3pm to get in line to maybe be seen the fo9llowing afternoon or the next day if they didn't decide they were overwhelmed and shut down for a couple of days.
    Your right, this was a small issue with bush. OF COURSE! the are Latino friendly. The monies that social security and medicare recieves from undoc. illegals who have a SS card of someone passed or whatever is staggaring!!!
    They know these people will never recover any of those monies. And now he wants to fine those people on top. I don't know Nentony, yes I'm close.
    This is all a reaction. What if the boys want to go after the Cuban people next?
    pan
     
  6. nentony

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    Crazytatt, were you aware that that song was recorded by a British record producer? It definately didn't find any hispanic fans, it was just a lame attemt to make some money.

    Tony
     
  7. nentony

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    "What if the boys want to go after the Cuban people next?
    pan"

    Thats a hoot! Who do you think elected them? Also, Sen. Mel Martinez (Cuban) is the co-author of the imigration reform legislation most likely to pass. Cubans are pretty well organized politically. That was the interesting thing about all those massive demonstration recently. All those Mexicans were hopefully looking at each other with light bulbs over their heads. They should get organized politically and have a say in all this.

    Tony
     
  8. panini

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    Nen,
    I absolutely agree. The representation is mediocre at best. Cubans vote. Mexicans have just resently started to pay attention to polotics, at least here. I don't want to burst any bubbles there but I can tell you the Hispanic population here is definately leaning Democratic. So I might not be so far off:eek:
    Nen, Tell me, is there a large population of illegals there? Or do I have my facts skewed? I'm trying to remember welcoming Cubans and Mexicans here not so long ago.
     
  9. nentony

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    Panini,
    The hispanic population here is very diverse. There are no illegal Cubans here because of a law granting them residency if they get here. You could argue that that is unfair and you'd have a good argument. Aside from Cubans there are many nicaraguans, venezuelans, costa ricans, Guatemalans, you name the central or south American country and there is a pretty good population in South Fla. Most are legal, many are not. They tend to come here legally on short term visas and then just stay. As you head toward Central Fla, on either coast or the center, there are more Mexicans. In the county I live in Puerto Ricans are the largest hispanic group, and of course they are legal, followed by Mexicans and cubans. There is a sizable Brazillian population here as well, I think because the Surfing industry. I was born in S. Florida and am of Cuban decent. My wife is Colombian, but born in Minnesota.(lol, no place for a colombiana) I'm not suprised to hear you say that Mexicans lean democrat, here, with the exception of Cubans, most hispanics also lean left. Like any decent self respecting Cuban, I am a republican. Alas, my wife often cancells out my vote. Doesn't matter, some issues cut through party allegiances and immigration is one of them. We're seeing some unusual alliances in D.C.
    By the way, my computer name is a combination of my wifes name (Nen) and mine (Tony)

    Tony
     
  10. crazytatt

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    Ahhhhh, figures. Thanks for the update!:D
     
  11. gonefishin

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    I would guess the emphasis on unauthorized Mexican immigrants is because they account for nearly 69% of all the illegal immigrants in the US (these are 2000 estimate figures). The closest country of origin of Illegals are from El Salvador with only 2.7%. From there...the percentages continue to drop even further. I can't understand when people try to say that this is a Mexican issue and not simply about unauthorized immigrants. Heck...I'm only the second generation in my family , born here in the US. But the difference...we came over here legally. Big difference!

    While a republican...the immigration policies are just another area where I don't align well with President Bush.

    regards,
    dan
     
  12. panini

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    I guess I just not on board with the whole way this country is being run now. Especially the current oily guys trying to hide under the umbrella of religion to censur , regulate my personal life, evesdrop on me, track my movements in communications, etc.
    This is definately a Mexican issue, but the part that scares me is where does this stop. My family were original WOPS. So are they here illegally?
    This whole thing is such a non issue, right now! BTW another boys life lost today over there, remember over there? It's politics and we're the pawns.
    I could maybe understand if there was a threat of Mexican terrorists. Is this group really a threat to us? I think the main threat is the mass number people here that noone even knows about.To go after this group of people is a witch hunt for a couple of popularity points for fear that the Rep.'s might lose a little ground to the inevetable. Not saying this is a better move, but the greasing of palms will shift.
    My Texas point of view is the biggest criminal acts here are not at the border, they are in our educational system. Second from the bottom? The US is 17th in the world producing scientist.
    Sorry everyone, I just needed to vent a little. Hectic few months.
    pan
     
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    I am just wondering when Washington is going to realize that the US cannot be a policeman for the entire world. I support our troops 1000% because I was once one of them for 7 years. I think Washington needs to back up and take a look at the big picture for a change. Does this remind you of any history that you recall? WW2, Hitler spread himself so thin on so many fronts that he left weak spots in his armor that the Allies took advantage of. No I do not agree with a lot of it but our troops need our support even if Washington can't see the forest for the trees. Not saying Bush is Hitler! Not what I am implying, what I am saying is that the President needs to realize that everything cannot be solved with brute military force and "shock & awe!"

    Regards Cakerookie...
     
  14. diane

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    What a wonderful thing to see such robust debate on such a potentially inflamatory subject. You people are great. Illegal immigration is going on all over the world. 'They' are driving plane loads of Somalian people straight from the the airport to the welfare (dole) office here, a 3 day stay in Mangere Centre, and onto their 3 bedroom, fully furnished and carpeted homes in Mt Roskill and other suburbs. And yes, a vacumn cleaner is provided along with linen, blankets, duvets and clothing, toaster, etc. not that they know how to use them. Washers and dryers all in place. Not dishwashers as far as I know, not yet anyway. All the stuff we worked so **** hard for.
     
  15. gonefishin

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    CakeRookie...with all due respect. We are NOT all illegal. The mistreatment of American Indians or the fact that they lived on this land before me has nothing to do with my legal status...nor any other person.

    I'd agree that this whole issue is primarily dealing with Mexican illegals...as there are a very high number of illegal (unauthorized if you prefer) immigrants.

    As far as I know it...The Italian immigrants that passed thru Ellis Island and allowed to enter were US citizens. Those of them that were denied entry were sent back. I have heard from my family that WOP stood for without papers. I've also heard that this meaning of WOP is incorrect. I'm not sure. But I do know that my grandparents (fathers side) came from Sicily and central Italy thru Ellis Island. They were all US citizens...and very proud of it. I would suspect that if your family came thru around this same time...they were also US citizens.

    I believe your trying to make quite a stretch comparing Italians that had troubles coming thru Ellis Island and were allowed to pass to Mexicans that illegally crossed a border in an attempt to live and work in the US without authorization. Sometimes contributing to the problems by possessing fake ID's and drawing on other peoples (living and dead) social secruity accounts. This is NOT the same thing as your trying to compare it to.

    Again...I believe the reason why unauthorized Mexican in the US are targeted are because they are thought to posses over 68% of ALL unauthorized immigrants in the US. With the next nearest unauthorized immigrant origin being 2.7%. To me...it seems like common sense to go after a group that is that much larger than all the others. When one group is estimated to be over 67% and the others 2.7% or less...there is little comparison.

    No matter if ANY unauthorized immigrant is a national or personal threat or not is only part of the issue...that was until recently not much thought of. The larger complaints of illegal immigrants are the draw on the public systems that they sometimes take from...such as jobs, taxes, social security fraud, identity fraud, emergency medical services, education and others. I would much rather support a legal immigrant from any country with my earned money. I would also look forward to whatever they would bring to my community from their homeland.

    But these problems are not unique to the US...

    Because this can be such touchy subject...I will try to keep the rest of my comments to myself...and I'll stop here :)


    good day all :)

    dan
     
  16. panini

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    Dan,
    No need to hold your comments in. That how we learn. Heck, I'm just glad to be talking to you. It's been a while.
    I'm really not trying to defend anyone, but the situation is kinda due to the US enabling this to go on so long and now the whip. There is no comparissions from the past. I hope you know I'm a little smarter then that.
    I do visit my parents frequantly in there nice new appartment complex. Over the past year I have witnessed hundreds of immigrants from Russia arrive here, get an apartment voucher for 165. to live in the exact same 2 bedroom apartment the my folks pay 925. The 165. is put up by the Local Jewish Federation, and they are immediately put right into the system with SS, food banks, etc.
    I guess I'm just so close to this it's hard. I don't really give a rats behind about republicans,democrats, politics etc. I care about the many, many, good friends,church friends, etc. I have here. I don't know their status, I would probably be surprised be the amount of illegals. But I do know that they have for years contributed to this community and state. I hate the label criminal. If it's criminal to fudge a little on your taxes and the punishment was to totally uproot, dismantle settled families, maybe some would think different. As far as defrauding SS, the benefits drawn from SS are nowhere near the amount of HUGE MONIES collected on deceased numbers being used by illegals. That's the reason that for years no one would address the situation. These illegals are probably the reason that program is still alive. And this government knows that this money will never be reembursed. I'm thinking that's a little criminal too.
    Anyway, I like the fact that we can get up here and just talk about this, it is still one of our rights for now:p
    This is fact. You enlist in the armed services and they accept you with the mutual and full understanding that you are here illegal, when your stint is finished, you go right to the front of the line. :cool:
     
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    All, did you know that the National Guard has been patrolling the border for years and years? I was trained to do so in the late 80's. I can't tell you what the task force's name is due to National Security concerns. But, there are two divisions of this task force. One is counter-drug operations. The other is more of a military police action on the border. The government just decided to beef the operation up that's all.
     
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    I have heard there is a large number of Chinese coming over the border too. Is that correct?
     
  19. mezzaluna

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    Diane, there are some being smuggled in by ship, but not in huge numbers. I think most end up in coastal cities such as New York, Los Angeles, etc.

    Whatever solution is found, it must be humane and decent. My faith urges me to "be kind to the stranger because you were a stranger in the land of Egypt, and you know what it means to be a stranger." (from somewhere in Exodus and a few other places in the Bible) Somehow we must balance the needs of immigrants with all the other issues: security, human rights/humanitarianism, economics, the public good.

    I'd be interested to hear what Europeans among us here think of the American immigration situation. European countries and the UK have had mixed success as well.

    Mezz
     
  20. nentony

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    "Whatever solution is found, it must be humane and decent. My faith urges me to "be kind to the stranger because you were a stranger in the land of Egypt, and you know what it means to be a stranger." (from somewhere in Exodus and a few other places in the Bible) Somehow we must balance the needs of immigrants with all the other issues: security, human rights/humanitarianism, economics, the public good."

    Really well said mezzaluna.

    Tony