I wanted to start this thread as to not get to far of topic with "symposium" Their is incredible debate over where the first wine fermented. I hope we can discuss, and learm from eachother about this nector I love so. as Devotay, said in the symposium thread about Huge Johnson, I would also like to start this thread with a quote from Mr Johnson " To live in the golden age of one of life's great pleasures is something we must all do, but few of us seem to realize. There never has been a time when more good wine, and more different kinds of wine, were being made. It was 150years ago that Cyrus Redding, a London wine merchant, wrote his History and decsription of modern wine. To him the word "modern" distinquished the wines of his times from those of the ancients, still then reverentially supposed to have been, like their architecture, of a quality of that could be only humbly imitated. Redding asserted the new world of nineteenth-century wine, based on the technology of the industrial revolution. If the great mass of wine in his day was still made by medieval methods, the leaders were setting the styles and standards and devising the techniques that today we accept as classic. These methods are now old. Our understanding of wine and our techniques for making it have moved into a new phase, led by sciences that were not dreamed of in the last century. It is time to use the word modern again with a new meaning to describe the brilliant new age of wine that opened in the past generation" Writen by Huge Johnson 1983 from (Hugh Johnsons Modern Encyclopedia of Wine) So, any one want to try tracing some wine?