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http://www.npr.org/sections/ed/2015...win-for-kids?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=news
[h1]'Sesame Street' Heads To HBO. Is It A Win-Win For Kids?[/h1]
I'm thinking this is going to expedite the death of "not for profit" television.

Does anyone else feel this way?

I can't wait for the next fundraiser so I can double this years pledge. I hope more people feel

the same way.

So many learned so much from this program without even knowing it.  Much of us kiddos watched this as part of our growing up.

We were able to watch it anywhere. I find it hard to believe that anyone views this move as a win-win. They say

the production will be better.  They plan to cut it to a half hour . 

They say,One of the wins is they will be able to produce more shows per season. SURE! MORE ADVERTISING!!

Most of know that for-profit television shows are made just to bide the time between commercials.

HBO is paid a premium cable channel. I'm not even going to go into how many low income kiddos will not be able to

watch.
 

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Sesame Street was losing money fast.  Without this, they would have failed completely. PBS still gets the episodes, just a 9 month delay.  Seems a win-win to me. 
 
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9 months to reruns. I bet it will come with commercials or product placement. So Sesame Street goes from 1 hour to 21 minutes, oh goody. I think it speaks volumes to who/what's really running the country.  Just means the cost for products I need go up in price.

Only thing worse then the monies spent for advertising is the money spent for lobbying. Sorry, lose-lose for me. I find it amazing how the rich get to yank on the majority of of US citizens like puppets and we bend over and work hard to give them more monies. If I was 20 yrs. younger I would definitely be scoping out going off the grid.
 
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HBO doesn't have commercials or product placement in their original shows. That's why you have to pay for it. So it's kind of like PBS except instead of a donation, it's a flat fee. And it's unlike PBS because if you can't afford the flat fee... well, you find it online for free /img/vbsmilies/smilies/smile.gif

Myself? I have a tiny CRT TV in my bedroom that gets basic cable and HBO, but only because it came with my internet package that was cheaper than internet alone (some special deal). So I just use cable for falling asleep to. I can't bear watching TV anymore. Annoying sitcoms and reality TV shows make me vomit.

The TV in my living room plays Netflix, Youtube, whatever movies I've downloaded, etc. I watch what I want, when I want. No commercials. I bought my friends a Roku because they said their cable bill is ~$200 a month. That's absurd. Netflix is <$10. And it has a plethora of kids shows for their friends to watch. I think the Roku was $25.

Sorry, not trying to derail or rant, I'm just fed up with cable companies.
 

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I'm a cord never as TV, especially paid TV, hasn't had much appeal for me either.
 
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I remember the days when watching championship boxing matches were free of charge.  Today, thanks to Don Kirchner and others, no way.  8(
 
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Speaking of sports....

We went without Astros for 2 years because the new owner was not too smart and signed with Comcast.

Now we have Root Sports (included with Uverse) and get to watch them loose 98% of the road games for the same monthly price!

Go Astros!

mimi

Yeah pan, I know the Rangers are sucky this year but you guys will prolly have the Silver Boot (again).+
 
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HBO doesn't have commercials or product placement in their original shows. That's why you have to pay for it. So it's kind of like PBS except instead of a donation, it's a flat fee. And it's unlike PBS because if you can't afford the flat fee... well, you find it online for free /img/vbsmilies/smilies/smile.gif

Myself? I have a tiny CRT TV in my bedroom that gets basic cable and HBO, but only because it came with my internet package that was cheaper than internet alone (some special deal). So I just use cable for falling asleep to. I can't bear watching TV anymore. Annoying sitcoms and reality TV shows make me vomit.

The TV in my living room plays Netflix, Youtube, whatever movies I've downloaded, etc. I watch what I want, when I want. No commercials. I bought my friends a Roku because they said their cable bill is ~$200 a month. That's absurd. Netflix is <$10. And it has a plethora of kids shows for their friends to watch. I think the Roku was $25.

Sorry, not trying to derail or rant, I'm just fed up with cable companies.
@left4bread, I was just ranting on advertising in general.

I understand what you are saying about HBO not having commercials for retail products during viewing. I didn't express myself very well (as usual). The huge corporations have created this situation where they feel they have to spend billions on what I feel is a false sense of competition. It's crazy the absurdly huge advertising budgets companies have to create to be "un" competitive. It increases the cost greatly for everything consumers use. HBO is exactly like all others, they just use different avenues. Not during shows, but between and with the graf from product placement. It just kills me to retrieve the mail. The waste of paper, money, and labor to deliver an envelope, post card, flyer, everyday for the same product!. Then walking back to the house I'm approached by a salesman hawking the same product. Then I'm having problems with the doorknob because someone put a paper hanger on it, for the same product. Shoot!, the phone is ringing. It's a rude pushy telemarketer selling? you guessed it, the same product. I'm gonna sit, read the mail an turn on the, same product, I ALREADY OWN!.

   The saddest part of all those bizillions spent is,  that is only a small fraction of what is being spend on programmatic ads. Not only does that eliminate so many jobs, it's growing at a rate that they will soon eliminate the ability to avoid them like @left4bread  is doing. It will move right into the media soon. SORRY FOR THE RANT. I think it's just another huge waste that I support through purchasing retail products.

I think it will be a better day when the large corporations and companies recognize, something I have in my tiny little business, at the retail end, most everyone offers the same product. What separates one from the other is honesty and customer service. That's where the competition should be. WOW, am I ever way off topic.
 
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I remember the days when watching championship boxing matches were free of charge.  Today, thanks to Don Kirchner and others, no way.  8(
I get your point, but I did watch The Fight of the Century on a live stream. Just sayin'.
 
 I was just ranting on advertising in general...
Preach it!

Totally agree. I lived off the grid for about 5 years (cruise lines, remote areas of AK, remote areas of WA).

No mail, no TV, no news, sparse internet.

I think the most annoying part is the mail. Moving to a new place and having to unsubscribe to all the coupon booklets and crap I don't want. And I just bought a place, so now every body and their mother wants me to get their credit card. I literally haven't checked my mail since February. Everyone who knows me knows to send mail to my work address if they want me to get it.

But I disagree about one point. There will always be a way to avoid it (advertising). There are enough people who vehemently hate it as much as you and I, people who will create ways to avoid it. I'm talking about ad-blockers, spam filters, anti-tracking (for internet at least) and alternatives to cable TV etc etc etc. There IS hope. It just boils down to how much effort you want to put into avoiding the garbage. And yes, I'm one of "those" people who stopped using Google when they broke their word and decided to start being evil, January 2012.
 
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@left4bread  I'm sure you're right about blockers and such, but I think there is more research being done other side. There is a reason companies are trying to bury as much cable

as fast as they can. In the near future programmatic marketing will control all the  marketing ads. It already has 50-75% of digital sewn up. This includes retailers who love this. There

is so much  back office algorithmic research and development being done it won't be long. Every nano second of movement by the consumer is captured an entered into an algorithm.

When ever you choose to enjoy something to view, there is so much info that you won't even realize your being marketed to. This concept has been around since the 60's.

In fact the company leading this today is the same one that stumbled over teletext back then while working on this concept.

work in the tech industry. One in MIS and one in tanks.

 @left4bread  , I hope you're right. But I have a feeling the people so against the issue will be using this technology.

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Dude,.. Ma'am, ... I LOVE your perspective!

And it's a Brave New World more than a ... 1984 distopia.

You're hitting the nail on the head AFAIK, or as far as I am concerned.

Guy de Maupassant was a bit of a hero for me. He said something to the effect of the railroad being the height/end of civilization, but that it only carried letters that told of how boring one city was to another boring city. I really messed that quote up. Whatever.

Trust me, there will always be an "out". Open source projects (Open Office). People here could give more info, but there will ALWAYS be open source. Wikipedia. GNU/Linux.

I'm drunk.
 

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