Paula's Revenge?

Discussion in 'The Late Night Cafe (off-topic)' started by mikelm, Jun 28, 2013.

  1. mikelm

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    Kind of funny...

    http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/paula-deen-surges-past-game-576518

    Her forthcoming cookbook Southern Fried Butter is... wait, just wishful thinking /img/vbsmilies/smilies/lol.gif

    Her new book Paula Deen's New Testament won't even be published until October 15 yet today moved to the top of the Amazon best-seller list.  Another one moved up to seventh place, and in addition, five out of the ten of the site's "Movers and Shakers" - books which  have risen the most in 24 hours - are "Paula-related."

    Looks like quite a lot of people aren't inclined to crucify her for growing up in the Deep South in the 1950's and having absorbed some of the character of that time and place and want, in fact, to show some support for her as she has become today.

    Mike
     
  2. pollopicu

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    I was discussing her issues with someone last night, and for me personally it's not so much that she said the things she said, because from what I understand her remarks were made years ago? correct me if I'm wrong on that. I believe people can change, and many people do change. So that part I don't understand. I wonder if anyone in the media has made the effort to see if she is indeed that same person who made those racist comments. What bothers me about her is that she is so racist she doesn't even realize it! she continues to put her foot in her mouth.

    I was never a fan of Paula's food, but I always thought she was a sweet old lady whenever her face popped up anywhere. What bothers me is the lying, and covering up, and the denial. She's just not fessing up the way people want.

    I think some might be curious enough to purchase her book, for what? I don't know. it's not like she wrote it before all this drama came about, from what I understand at least, but i don't think she's ever going to make a true comeback. Other people who have made similar remarks and even worse, like Imus for example, came back, but only because he was a pos from the beginning. Lots of people trusted Paula, and let her inside their homes. That's going to be tough to get passed. I actually feel kind of sorry for her, but at the same time at this day and age, in the south, or wherever, she should've known better, and because she is from the south she should known especially better than anyone else.
     
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  3. mikelm

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    "...what I understand her remarks were made years ago? correct me if I'm wrong on that." That's my impression, too.  I'm with you on her food, also. Don't need it, never have.

    I don't understand your statement about her not apologizing: she's put out two or three abject apologies.  The only  thing more she might do is to come on camera and set herself on fire.
     

    Mike
     
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  4. pollopicu

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    I didn't say she didn't apologize...

    The gist of my post is that she's coming off as a phony in her apologies, and that's what people can't get passed. Anyone can apologize after they've been caught doing wrong. The apology however, should be sincere, honest and forthright. Her apologies seem like she's only upset she got caught, not because she truly realizes what she did wrong.

    she was also caught contradicting herself. In one moment she said she is not and has never been a racist, but then at the same time pleads to anyone who has never said something wrong to cast the first stone...  bottom line is that she's not being honest with her fans, but most importantly she's not being honest with herself. People aren't stupid. They see right through that.
     
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  5. petalsandcoco

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    Sad, very sad. What is that old saying ? Let he who is without sin cast the first.......
     
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  6. pollopicu

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    I really honestly feel sorry for what's she's going through, mostly because of her age I guess. I also try to imagine what it's like to be so admired for so many years, and then have everyone so suddenly strongly dislike you. That has to be tough on an old person who is otherwise sweet.


    See, the kardashians don't have that problem...:p
     
  7. petalsandcoco

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    @ Pollo : North West ?

    Let me guess, the next one will be South West  ! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/eek.gif

    ...............sorry Mike, I just had to.
     
  8. pollopicu

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    Omg, if I didn't know any better I'd say she faked her entire pregnancy, and fake named her baby just to eff with all her hater fans...like me. :p
     
  9. mikelm

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    "...............sorry Mike, I just had to."

    Ummm.... to do what?  It seems I've lost the thread of this thread.

    Are we suddenly discussing the Kardashians?  If so, I'm at a disadvantage, because I devote considerable effort to ignoring them. 

    What about North West and South West?  I've lived in both, but have no clue what they have to do with either Paula or the Kardashians. 

    I'm beginning to think I may be getting too old for this.
     

    Mike  /img/vbsmilies/smilies/crazy.gif
     
  10. durangojo

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    Not to ruffle any feathers here, as i agree with just about everything you wrote, but the mention of paula's age and how sorry people should feel for her because of it just hits me wrong. she's not exactly a dotering old woman...she's 66...probably about the age of your own parents...are they dotering or ineffectual or useless? I know some 70 year olds that can and do circles around 50 year olds! Sweet lil' ole woman? She has made a mint promoting that persona, but don't bet that she is. I don't think she ever did anything that wasn't calculated down to the confectioner sugar sweet smile and accent.......$$ signs for eyeballs. feel sorry for her because she is a dishonest fake(as you mentioned),not because of her age.....this is OT but speaking of dishonest, geez,just look at lance Armstrong....he had everyone fooled for years and for years he totally denied everything...he literally took people for a ride with his live strong campaign....how many people do you know who bought those wrist bands? he deserves whatever comes his way, and more! Gosh, where did all the heroes go?
    joey
    east by southwest? :rolleyes:
     
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  11. duckfat

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    I was actually feeling a little bad for Paula and willing to forgive the past but I saw an interview the other day with some of her kitchen staff. If even 1/2 of the claims they are making about racism in her business are true then I'd say she's history.

    The problem I see is that among Celebrity Chef's, TV personalities etc she's not just a star but a super star. Putting that in perspective RR, Emeril, Batali, Ramsey etc all run right around 8 million a year in gross income. PD has been closer to 50 million a year for many years. That's a LOT of incentive for people to be more than a bit dishonest if this becomes even more litigious.

    I can't hang her for saying something stupid in her past but if she allowed people to be mistreated in her organization then she needs to be to drop kicked through the goal post of life.

    Dave
     
  12. pollopicu

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    Mike, sometimes it's hard to ignore celebrities when their face is plastered all over websites and magazines. It's like honey boo boo child, I haven't had tv since long before that show aired, yet somehow I'm oddly familiar with the antics of that spawn-child.

    Durangojo, you are 100% right.
     
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  13. durangojo

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    @ pollopicu.....please, call me joey
    @ mike.....I find it more than a little humorous and quite ironic that her first cookbook contained 'bible' in the title.....as in the 'do unto others' bible? :cool:

    joey
     
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    Don't you find this all to be so ironic.
    Gordon Ramsey can go off on a cussing spree, and no one thinks anything of it. Robert Irvin falsifies his résumé, and hardly anything is done, but Paula gets the electric chair.
     
  15. pollopicu

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    oh man, that book deal Paula had as the only silver lining was canceled by her publicist. I'm kind of beginning to get worried for her. A man in her position would probably commit suicide. She's lucky she has her two kids and husband who love her, but I'm sure she lost the esteem of the people who matter to her (business-wise) the most.
     
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    Spot on. Her cooking/ shows/ recipe's/ books contributes to many peoples ill health. She knew it and did it anyway for the cash when she herself is diabetic. She's also a colossal hypocrite when she says she hates liars and thieves. Either that or she hates herself.
     
  17. mikelm

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    I'm continually astonished at the vitriol here directed at Paula.  She is a child of her time and place and evidently behaved accordingly in the fairly distant past; she overcame truly tremendous hardships to succeed beyond most people's wildest dreams.  She is now to be destroyed because she said -not did - things now deemed offensive by the mandarins of political correctness. I find this attitude disgusting.  I have no use for her cooking, but she didn't force it on anybody.  People seem to like fried fat- look how many go to McD's.  I can't stand her cornpone accent, either. 

    She's so terrible she grew her Savannah restaurant from a small joint to a place seating 330.  Presumably by using racial insults to motivate her staff.

    Oh, and by the way, her magazine publisher is taking over publication of her now-best-selling new cookbook, so she's going to make a pot of money after all. Not that she needs it.

    Eat your hearts out, guys.  /img/vbsmilies/smilies/surprised.gif

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    I was also born into a racist household (father born in Naples.... Italy, not Florida)  and it took getting out of a catholic school (0 black people) after the 8th grade to learn that people are people.  While Paula made a blunder, the media has gone WAY overboard on her.  In one week, I think she lost ALL her income.* 

    I don't use her recipes or books and I don't watch her shows so this opinion is solely personal - I hope the clusterstorm blows over and she can at LEAST make a living again.  Let the punishment fit the crime for crying out loud.

    * Current income - not based on royalties from older work.
     
  19. pollopicu

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    I grew up in a racist home. My dad and grandfather were the ugliest racist you could imagine. I too am a child of my time, but you know what? that's not an excuse. When you become and adult you learn that is not acceptable behavior, and you choose to make the choice. Paula Deen made a conscience choice to remain a racist, so now she must pay the price. Sure her book will sell, but for only a little while, and then she is done.

    Like I said earlier... I feel sorry for her, but all that nonsense that she's of her time is not and should not be an excuse, and for anyone to defend her racism is astonishing to me.

    I've said my piece. Peace out.
     
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  20. petemccracken

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    So, let me see if I understand clearly.

    If someone did something or spoke something that was socially acceptable and completely legal XX years ago and, as time passes, such actions or words are not now either socially acceptable or legal, then that person should be shamed/shunned/jailed for doing or saying something that there was no prohibition for at the time?

    That, to me, is a VERY slippery slope that I prefer not to traverse!