IF you live on Long Island NY there is a new Restaurant supply store opened on voice road in Carle Place off of Glen Cove Road near Harrows next to BOCES auto machines school. I was in there yesterday and it has everything. I did not know any of the pans name but 12" triply skillet was $24. The have all the big Hobart stuff and a big stainless tea Kettle for under $20. I did know the label on the none-stick pans Excaliber coating.