Looking for old fashion chocolate frosting that hardens

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  1. barbara6711

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    I am looking for a frosting/icing made to pour on the cake and harden like fudge when it cools.  My husband's grandmother made it with hersheys cocoa powder but that is all I remember.  Her cake layers were less than an inch thick (there were several).  She poured the chocolate over each layer and over the entire cake allowing it to drain down the sides.  The cake was moist but did not absorb the chocolate.  The frosting cracked when cut but did not fall apart.    HELP PLEASE!! 
     
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  2. siduri

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    I think i've got it!  I got this from an old betty crocker cookbook from the 50s. 

    Creamy Chocolate Icing

    Mix 3/4 cups sugar with 3/4 cups cream.  Cook over low heat till it just boils (i always let it boil longer which gives it a little more thickness, at least so i felt).  add 4 oz germans sweet cooking chocolate and 3 squares unsweetened chocolate, chopped finely or grated.  Mix till melted and smooth.  (If there isn';t enough residual heat to melt it, heat it very very slightly.)  If too thick to pour add some cream. 

    This was in the book as a frosting for a chocolate roll, to be poured over the slice of cake, but i used to use it as a glossy frosting, and it used to sort of harden up like fudge just as you describe. 
     
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  3. chefross

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    Milk is the ingredient that makes for a hardened frosting.
     
  4. chefedb

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    You asked for frosting and or iceing. Both different . Re the icing are you looking for something like the commercial magic shell type?
     
  5. siduri

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    Chefedb, I always understood frosting and icing to be the same thing, just different regional terms (like soda, pop, or tonic).  Some books I have use frosting, some use icing, i never saw one that used both in different ways.
     
  6. haole

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    Ganache?
     
  7. siduri

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    Not sure what you mean by this Chefross.  Do you mean if you use water or cream it won't harden?  and harden in what way? Crackly hard on top? just plain hard?  Usually milk makes things softer (bread dough, cake, meatloaf) - are you referring to uncooked frosting (like milk and powdered sugar glaze)?  I would think sugar would be what makes frosting hard, and how it's treated (boiled, etc), so i'm curious. 
     
  8. stymie72

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    First thing I ever learned to cook, learned from mom.  I am sure she learned from her ma, so the recipe dates back maybe to the 1800s.   Melt eqal amounts of unsweetended choc squares and butter in double boiler.    Add powdered sugar (to taste),  will need a few teaspoons of milk, mix fast with a spoon.   Stir longer than u think u would need to.   At some point the consistency of the frosting changes to  shiny velvety, and it starts grabbing to the pan.    A little coffee added is a nice touch.   I make extra and use it as fudge.  
     
  9. chefedb

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    When I worked in the better hotels(according to the pastry chefs) iceing was in most cases pourable and thinner  where frosting was not and was applied with a spatula.
     
  10. chefross

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    I have tried several different ways to create a frosting and an icing that makes a hardened "crust". I have a glaze that I make from brown sugar, skim milk and powdered sugar. After heating the milk, I add th sugars and mix well. After spreading on whatever I am making, I find it creates a hard, dry "skin."

    I have tried this with cake frosting using 1/2 shortening....1/2 unsalted butter, vanilla, powdered sugar and milk. I find...again....that the milk create a butter cream frosting that "hardens" when allowed to rest in the fridge. 
     
     
  11. siduri

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    Not being picky, just curious.  Is it the milk that did it, or would another liquid have done it as well, like water?  I mean, did you try other liquids and did they not make a skin?  I make a decorating frosting i use in a small tube to do fine-line decorations on spice snaps to hang on the xmas tree.  They get hard, and i make them with powdered sugar and egg white.  I used to do them with powdered sugar and water.  They also dried hard, but the frosting was harder to work with.  Of course neither of these are soft underneath and hard on top.  I do a glaze for a kind of nut bar with powdered sugar and lemon juice and that, also, dries glassy hard on the surface, often softer underneath, if it's thick.  So is it the milk or the liquid, and what would it be in the milk that does it?  like a casein glue? the protein?
     
     
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    I have tried different liquids and found milk to work the best....probably a protein in there that does it, but not sure why...just that it does. Also the ratio of liquid to powdered sugar.
     
     
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    Very popular icing down here. It's is used to make what we call Mexican Chocolate Cake. Just omit the nuts. I hardens enough to get a crack or crackle and tastes like thin

    fudge or a very thin soft praline.
     
  14. rena1

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    I am looking for the same recipe. My husbands grandmother make this icing. She gave me a recipe, but I think something was left out. I can never get it to turn out right. If you find it please give it to me. My husband is always making me retry this recipe but it never comes out right.
     
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    Chocolate Icing Cooked verses Uncooked ... These icings were given to me by my Swiss elderly mom. Hope that one of them works out for u ... Unfortunately, I am not a baker ... Very time consuming for a working person ... However, I am a great appreciater of a good baker  and their treasures ... One of her comments were, never frost or ice a cake hot nor should the icing be hot ... always allow cooling time ... Could this be your problem ...

    1. Cooked Icing ...

    1 square Unsweetened chocolate

    1 lump butter

    1 heaping tblsp of confectioners sugar

    Melt chocolate and butter in a double boiler. Remove from heat. Add cocoa and enough sugar and boiling water to make the mixture for frosting.

    2. Uncooked Icing ...

    2 heaping tblsps cocoa

    three fourths box confectioners sugar

    boiling water

    Mix thoroughly with electric mixer.

    3. Chocolate Glaze ...

    1 cup melted semi sweet chocolate

    one fourth cup tap water

    Combine melted chocolate with water and mix until smooth. Then, let cool and glaze cake.

    4. Chocolate Icing ...

    2 cups melted and cooled chocolate chips

    3 eggs divided

    three fourths cup butter

    one tsp. vanilla

    a. in bowl, cream butter and add vanilla and 1 egg with one third of chocolate. Beat until well blended.

    b. alternatively beat in remaining eggs and chocolate until frosting is smooth and changes color to a light coffee with milk mocha color.
     
  16. southern gal

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    in reply to "looking for old fashion chocolate frosting that hardens"This is how to make the frosting: you just use the recipe for making hersey's cocoa fudge: 2/3 cup of cocoa, 3 cups sugar, 1/8 tsp. vanilla,  1 and 1/2 cups milk, 1/4 cup butter. Combine cocoa, sugar, salt in large pot, add milk gradually, mixing throughly until mixed up good. Then bring to a bubbly boil over med. heat stirring constantly, reduce heat to low and cook until mixture forms a soft ball in cold water. Remove from heat add butter and vanilla, beat with electric mixter until fudge begains to thicken, pour over cake layers. If you want to make fudge instead  just beat a little more and pour into pan and let cool and cut into squares. Hope this is what you are lookin for. It has been a while since I have made this since it is time consuming, but very worth it! From , Southern Gal
     
  17. sblinds

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    1 cup plus 1 tablespoon sugar
    3 tablespoons cocoa powder
    6 tablespoons butter (I prefer salted butter for this recipe)
    1/4 cup milk
    1 tablespoon vanilla



    Mix first four ingredients in a pan over medium heat and bring to a rolling boil, stirring constantly. Boil for EXACTLY two minutes and remove from heat. Beat with a wooden spoon for one minute and add vanilla. Continue stirring for about four more minutes until it is thickened, but still shiny (it should coat a fork without dripping through the tines). Pour over a WARM cake, and spread quickly because it will harden within twenty seconds of coming out of the pan. Let the cake cool before cutting.

    *Double this recipe for a layer cake with two 8 inch layers.

    I hope this helps!! It is WAY easier if you try this for the first time on a 9x13 sheet cake that is still in the pan. I usually start the frosting as soon as I take the cake out of the oven, so the cake is still really warm when I pour the frosting on it.

    I hope this helps! In my house we call this "Nanny Frosting" because it's the kind of frosting that my Mama's grandmother (Nanny) used to make for a yellow layer cake...the best EVER!!! We could never quite get the recipe out of her before she passed away, it was one of those "Oh, hunny, just a lil' bitta cocoa and a big lumpa buhtah and a scoopa shugah"...yeah one of those recipes that comes with EXACT measurements. So after YEARS of tweaking, and trying and some good, and some (most) not so good...this one is the SO SOOOO good one, that fits all of the requested criteria...hardens like fudge (check), the cake will not absorb it (unless you poke some holes in the top of it, also a good idea), and it cracks when cut into, but will not fall apart or fall off the cake...it's like magical frosting.
     
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  18. petalsandcoco

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    I make it with melted  chocolate and cream.....thin it out to a consistancy I like, pour. The same techinique when making petits fours.

    Petals.
     
     
  19. gen2026

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    I am looking for a similar recipe only it does not have chocolate in it...... just some type of sugar frosting that hardens, cracks when cut, but is not rock hard when you bite into it.  It is not brown in color.... just slightly darker than granulated sugar.  Anyone familiar with it?  I don't even know what it is called.

    These chocolate versions sound great and I was wondering if I could just leave out the cocoa?

    thanks!
     
  20. mare18

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    Love the name,Nanny Frosting, as this was how our nannies boiled frosting . I can picture my Nanny at her coal stove, but have not been able to recreate her frosting. With your detailed instructions, i may be successfull. Thanks!