Kamikoto knives

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Ill make it simple. Pardon for rudeness. Its shit. My rookie friend has fallen for it. Its cheep shite from China. Copied Shun. Uraoshi geometry ( for those who dont know, its the original purpose back geometry on true singlebevel from japan) NON present. No steel specks, same shit as singlespeed bikes from china in nice colours.

600 bucks? For no specks steel? Are you crazy guys. I made my accout only for this purpose. Pls overcome you blindness and learn something about singlebevel traditional high quality cutlery from Japan.

Im sorry, but if you keep thinking its good, you making new victims of these scumbacks potential. I know 100( crazy discount) mistake hurts your ego, but im afraid you have fallen for mischief of marketing pussy(cat right?)-posh look.

These knives in Japan have hardness of 60rql above for purpose. Its precision chisel in a shape of a knife, this Chinese Shit is paper.

Im asking kindly moderators to keep this post for second, because word shit is probably the only thing which might explai it simply and put som damage (needless) down.
 
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According to the company via an email exchange, Kamikoto knives generally range between HRC53+/-2, which is a lower score (softer steel), an average Supermarket knife will be on the same class hardness as these. For those who don't understand what the characteristics of superior knives vs some made up garbage hoax is they should ALWAYS check the Rockwell rating of the knife. The higher the rockewell the more superior it is.
Even a $2 knife can have a razor sharp edge as many Real chefs know but how long it keeps its edge is determined by the hardness and strength of its steel.
I hope you wake up and smell the lies they are selling you just like the good old knife ads we used to see back in the days haha
 
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while not exactly true (with regard to higher rockwell hardness being objectively better), there are ranges that make sense for kitchen knives. Higher is not always better, but in general, you want to be somewhere in the 58-62 range plus or minus a tiny bit
 
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A friend of a friend bought these and is looking for sharpening service. I hope he didn't pay the full ridiculous price. I wouldnt pay more than $10 for these.

I'm between wanting to see this train wreck in person and not wanting to sharpen them.
 
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How humiliating. I had to select the only descriptor that suited my skills. "Can't Boil Water"

Anyway, I saw some knives on one of those bidding sites thar sells some real crap but also some great name brand stuff. They have these knives supposedly made by a "reputable" Japanese manufacturer. I checked out the same knives on Amazon, and they are being sold there for prices similar to the MSRP on the auction site, and lots of good reviews. Did some googling, saw more good reviews. Also got hits for reviews on reputable sites but those turned up being "best of" lists that gave hits for a bunch of mfrs but actual reviews of only 3- brands. Next stop, ebay. Saw same Buy Now prices as auction sites for new sets, and used sets for about 25-35% of that, which seems reasonable. Due diligence, right?

Long story not so short, I won one of the auctions and got the pkg yesterday. Meanwhile, I reopened my Amazon window to look for something else and realized there was a review on there I hadn't seen before, claiming the other reviews were fake. They look legit, but I went back to trusty google and went a couple of pages into the search results and have noticed a lot of similarities in the reviews.

Have I been "tooken for a ride" on these knives? If so, I'll learn my lesson and keep the crap for myself. I was buying the set for my sister, an awesome home cook who just started taking lessons to expand her knowledge and skillset. I wanna get her something she'll get a lot of use out of, and be proud to own.

So, what say you? Cook? Or Con?

Thanx from a not so noob who can bake a decent cake and really good cookies but, alas, do have trouble with the stove top stuff. After several really bad attempts (actually, several bags' worth) at making long grain rice, I finally learned that simmer was not "bring it to a boil then turn it almost all the way off and let simmer".

Looking forward to any response. Be honest. Brutally honest! Thanx![/QUppp
A friend of a friend bought these and is looking for sharpening service. I hope he didn't pay the full ridiculous price. I wouldnt pay more than $10 for these.

I'm between wanting to see this train wreck in person and not wanting to sharpen them.
Hello all, I'm new to this forum but wanted to comment on Kamikoto. I bought two Takamura knives from Chefsknifestogo.com a couple of years ago. Two great knives fir $300. Started shopping again for a good heavy duty cleaver for butchering/carving, but haven't decided yet. Like magic I get the $1200 Kamikoto box set for $275 dicount offer. Started research by looking for that brand on Chefsknifestogo,com and couldn't find them.

Long story short I came across this thread and had to comment! I went to the Kamikoto site and read about their "forging" process. I suspect these aren't even forged steel but stamped (just like the Chinese Henckles line) because of the way they described the process. No steel alloy was ever specified either. Just another Chinese knockoff with a very smooth marketing spiel, as other posters have said. Nice bamboo case though!!

Kudos to the guy(s) who actually bought these and tried them out. Buyers beware!!
 
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REMEMEBER THAT AMAZON ALLOWS A PRETTY GOOD RETURN POLICY, ESPECIALLY AFTER KNOWING THAT THE CLAIMS ARE SO SPURIOUS

AND, JUST LIKE ON THE AMAZON SITE AND IN FACEBOOK, THE ONLY POSITIVE REVIEWS AND THE ONLY PEOPLE SUPPORTING THE COMPANY IN THIS THREAD ARE EITHER FAKE OR HAVE NO IDEA BAOUT WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT

I THINK WE NEED TO GET RID OF THE FAKE REVIEWERS
I've warned Facebook innumerable times to block these crooks. The ads still run.
 
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This post obviously qualifies as the official Kamikoto post for any in future womdering about this junk. We have one already for Kiwi knives, and a reasonable one for Dalstrong also.

It is interesting that here on Cheftalk a person does't really have to post a word to show their intelligence, or more specifically complete lack there of. in some cases you only have to look at the comments they give their "like" to.
 
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wait... i like kiwi knives
Ahaha, and no reason not to, the post merely puts them within a "sane" perspective, following a comical parade of 1-post-wonders who attempt to elevate them to mythical status. Some inspired commenting there, I'll have to dig it up.
 
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My boyfriend bought me the single chef knife, fully aware as he put it, "It was discounted so much that I'm sure its bulls**t, but I went for it anyway." Absolutely do not spend a whopping $675 for this knife, you can find it for less than $100 literally anywhere else. I'm sure its a scam, but nonetheless I enjoy using it now that I already own it. And I managed to chop the top of my finger off with it so cleanly that it took me a few seconds to even feel it. So hey, it's sharp!
 
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We already know Kamikoto are cheap crap, and no one here is every going to recommend them, for any price.

Welcome to Cheftalk Erin.
 
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Why does it matter if they are made in China. They are Japan steel. They are good knives and do the job!
 

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Because steel alone doesn't make the knife any good. The grind, the taper, the heat treatment, the quench all effect the performance of the steel.

Then there is the geometry of the edge and it's immediate surroundings, the attention to detail paid in each of the processes mentioned above, fit and finish and still some more things.
 

phatch

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I understand that. Have you used them? What do you think there worth is? Honestly.
For understanding all that you sure failed to create a cogent argument regarding the critiques throughout this thread.

Saying a steel is Japanese is meaningless. The Japanese make all grades of steel. You didn't address its composition or any thing meaningful about it.

Yes I've only seen pictures. As noted they show inappropriate grind choices and poor quality in the grind. Post some nice high res close ups for us since you have these knives.

Considering the lack of real information about these knives, I'd say their worth is zero, the same as Cutco. Reputable companies share this kind of information with their customers rather than hype and ludicrous pricing only.

Sure, there are good knives at that price point but the makers supply the kind of info we've been taking about and they generate a reputation with test samples to reliable independent reviewers and so on.

Kamikotos behavior in this regard is a hallmark of low quality.
 
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I have info to add about these knives. I'm not a cook, but somebody working in the IT field. I was just asked by this company (or their marketing agency) to wash all links containing bad reviews off Google.

Kamikoto, or their marketing agency are employing low cost workers to "click farm" The Amazon page with fake reviews to drop cheftalk.com's reviews to the bottom.

Basically the task to these low cost workers was this. Google "Kamikoto knives" and "Kamikoto knives review". Click the link of the google results only if the website is either Amazon, or the Kamikoto official website.
 
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If that is true, it’s rather despicable. How much money were they offering to cleanse Google? Is it difficult to do?
 

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