Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution

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  1. koukouvagia

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    Did anyone watch the Food Revolution on Sunday night?  I've been looking forward to it for months and now that it has begun I'm appalled at the resistance Jamie faced on the first epidose.  I've never seen anybody defend processed food like that before.  The food served in the school cafeterias is not much worse than what I grew up on in the school system way back when in the 80's.  What do you think of the movement?  Can it be successful?

    http://abc.go.com/shows/jamie-olivers-food-revolution
     
  2. nicko

    nicko Founder of Cheftalk.com Staff Member

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     I just watched the food revolution premiere which was on tonight in Chicago and I enjoyed it. It was SHOCKING when he brought out all those vegetables and none of the kids even knew what a potato was but they knew all of the fast food.

    I really think he is a great chef and I appreciate what he is trying to do. On a side note the food network should of never gotten rid of him!
     
  3. maryb

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    It is scary and the fact that the government condones it makes it worse. I remember that some of the food was made from scratch when I was in high school so there is no reason they shouldn't be able to do it now. The local charter school plants a garden and the produce gets used in the fall to supplement the garbage the USDA pushes on the schools. The school is K-12 but very small, under 300 students.
     
  4. scuppernong

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    I saw it for the first time about an hour or so ago. It was certainly eye-opening, I'll tell you that. I can see that he means well, and I'm glad that he's making an effort for it. Hopefully things will get better for him, there are many roadblocks that he's had to get around so far, and it's only been the first couple episodes.
     
  5. kristopher

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    Ann Cooper has been doing something similar for a while now  . If you go to Chow dot com they have a really good interview with her in the obsessives section take a look at it if you like the Jamie Oliver thing. 
     
  6. dc sunshine

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    Turkey twists anybody....yum yumm

    What he is doing is great but I think it is probably doomed to failure.  Too much inground stubborness/pih-headedness from the catering section of the "education" industry.  I too was shocked when the kids didn't know celery from a potato (it's been on tv for a long while here).  And the stuff that kids bring in their lunch boxes with the junior school episodes - it's just fat, sugar and salt re-shaped.  Yuk.  How on earth can parents send their kids with that rubbish - or is it that *they don't know better?  Two generations of people who don't know what food should be - it's frightening.

    Their parents will outlive their kids if it continues in this fashion.
     
  7. siduri

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    I can tell you that it is not necessary to give kids crap at lunch.  Italian public schools don't have money - you would be appalled to see the buildings my kids went to school in - they have run-down equipment or none at all, the buildings are falling apart, the classrooms shabbier than you can possibly imagine (at least here in Rome) but the food is decent and balanced.  There is always a pasta or soup, a main course of egg, cheese or meat, a side of fresh vegetables and fresh fruit and bread.  That means it can't be that expensive. 
    But of course, there are no coca cola sponsors for education here.  And parents would raise heck if they fed them any differently.

    Also kids bring their own mid-morning snacks to school - most of them bring a sandwich or a piece of pizza (which is healthy food - bread dough, tomato and mozzarella).  Some bring pre-packaged snacks, but if you look at them and taste them, they look like health food compared to a lot of the stuff kids bring FOR LUNCH in the states (cheese curls and twinkies).

    What i'm saying is that it's possible. 

    Many schools in the city now provide much of their food from organic sources (of course, this, too, is easier here where there are no gigantic industrial farms.)

    I'm very critical of Italy for many things, but this is one area that works

    What I can't help thinking the school lunch problem amounts to, as most of our ills today, is greed - big money interests, and having to keep feeding the gigantic greedy monster of CEOs earning more money than they can possibly know what to do with.  (Hard not to get on a soapbox for these things).  Just think of the coke- and pepsi-sponsored schools in the states!  When i was a kid it was illegal to provide any drink but milk in school!
     
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    I only saw the first hour of the show, but holy cow.  Anyone have a clue at what the reasoning is behind the 'two servings of bread' at every meal?  No offense to Jamie, but the head lunch lady has to take second place to the area manager for inspiring nightmares. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/frown.gif  

    I wonder at all the negative publicity right off the get-go.  I suppose it's a defensive, butt covering instinct; if the project fails, it's not because the area people can't or won't make healthier choices, it's because some arrogant foreigner came flouncing in with unrealistic expectations and sensationalist claims. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif
     
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    While I've not seen it, based on standard TV reality TV tricks, they're showing you what's sensational. The kids who knew the vegies got cut from the scene for example would be the standard TV trick.  There have been a number of articles about this series talking about what the city in question has worked on itself even before JO got involved. Oliver seems to have been late to the party in this case.
     
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    Do you think Jamie's involvement, and the multi-national exposure it entails, are good and supportive of the city's initiatives, or detracting from them?
     
  11. nicko

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    While I am fully aware of reality tv tactics JO does not strike me as that type of person. There was some small stuff such as him dressing up in a pea costume but other than that I think the guy is really on a mission. I truly believe that not one of those kids knew what a potato was.

    Could I be wrong? Sure but then it would undermine his whole mission.
     
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    The pea costum was funny. LOL.  I hope others are finding this school food service program as apalling as I am. Pizza for B'fast? 
    If you have a DVR and you can re-watch last nights episode stop it on some of the shots they show of the kids in the lunch room. Several of those elementery children are well over 200 pounds!
    I don't think there's any doubt there's some theatrics involved with editing. After all it is TV and they are doing the show to make $.
    I still think JO's heart and spirit is in the right place. How sad is it that parents need a TV show for a wake up call.

    The people that totally give me a brain freeze are the directors of the school program. I had to cringe every time the female program director said something like "IF Jamie wants this to work".
     I just can't help but wondering why she doesn't seem to care if this program works. /img/vbsmilies/smilies/frown.gif  That's supposed to be her job but I expect just like some of the lunch ladies she realizes that she is running the risk of looking bad on TV and fixing the problem actually involves work instead of just having people open boxes of fast food.

     
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  13. koukouvagia

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    What I find the most encouraging is that Jamie is not on a mission to make people health fanatics.  All he's really pushing for is that people start eating real food and cut out fast food and processed food. 

    You don't have to eat only tofu, bean sprouts, and granola to have a healthy diet. 
     
  14. maryb

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    Keep in mind the USDA sets the guide lines and supplies some of the food(tainted beef anyone?). The government is being influenced by large corporations so their product gets placed in the schools.
     
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    Oliver seems to have been late to the party in this case.

    Not the first time, either. He seems to have made a career out of jumping on bandwagons after somebody else takes the risk of steering the horses first.

    What about, for instance, Jamie At Home. You know, where he suddenly discovered the benefits of veggies fresh out of the garden, and, in each episode, would first harvest the stuff from "his" garden.

    Turns out, of course, that it was somebody else's garden, and Oliver was just capitalizing on the concept.

    Full disclosure statement: Jamie Oliver has never been one of my favorites. Frankly, I've never understood what the shouting is about. I have not seen this new show; indeed, until this thread I hadn't heard of it. But there have been many people working long and hard on the issue of our schools being nutritional wastelands. Now comes carpetbagger Oliver, as if he had discovered the problem and was going to fix it.

    Yeah, right!
     
  16. fl italian

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    The reality of this is, no matter WHAT you do at the school level, unless it's done at home, things will never change.
    Kids that didn't know how to use a knife and fork... not the school's job; it's mom & dad's!!
    We've EDUCATED our children on the junk to eat because mom & dad are too tired to cook a meal at home.   Heat a frozen lasagna.   Bake a frozen pizza.   Some chicken nuggets and fries in the oven or toaster oven.   Dinner's on!
    There's no vegetables.  They're overloaded with salt and fat.   It's why these kids are huge!!   Look at the family he opted to help last night: they all looked like they were on the express train to diabetes!!
    Unless we make the changes at home, ALL of this is for naught!   It is eye opening!
     
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     If you want to change the food that our kids are eating, it will take a generation. Start with a 5 year old now , and in 10 years you will have changed nation. Along with the schools, you need to shorten up the chip isle, and processed frozen food section of the grocery store. I think all chefs will welcome  a healthy diet with open arms, I know I will. The problem most Chef have in entering a healthy choice on a menu is, most people don't want it. When the acceptance of healthy food are the norm, then the masses will accept the Chefs suggestions with a new vision, and life style .................Chef Bill
     
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    Well, I don't follow the shows, but if i understand correctly, the idea is to educate parents as well as the kids, who, after all, are future parents.  When i was in school, we studied nutrition, basic food groups, had to plan healthy meals, got graded on it.  I applied that knowledge when I became an adult and had to feed myself and my kids.  But the schools DO have responsibility, because if schools are supplying coke and corn curls to kids, what do you suppose the kids will eat?  I don't care HOW well the kids are being fed or taught at home, these crap "foods" are designed to appeal to kids, and if that's what the school offers, the kids will go for it. 

    Make no mistake about it, we pay our governments to take care of us, defend us from invaders, protect us against thieves and killers, protect our kids against all kinds of dangers.  Why is it ok for governments to take care of us with a police force, but not with education or nutrition in schools?  And if our population is all sick, overweight, and undernourished, who is going to make the economy run?  we all lose!
     
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  20. teamfat

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    All is not lost, there is hope for at least some kids.  Do a web search on the "Edible Schoolyard" project.

    mjb.