I NEED AN EFFICIENT PROFESIONAL CHEFS KNIFE ASAP!!!!!!!!!!

Discussion in 'Cooking Knife Reviews' started by butleraustin92, Aug 4, 2015.

  1. butleraustin92

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    Hello everyone!

    Im new to chef talk. Im relatively new to the culinary world i have been cooking for fun my whole life but about 5 months ago I decided to get serious and got a job as the sauce cook  at a local restaurant. I love my job but the knives are killing me and i want to slowly start my own knife collection to start bringing to work with me. I want a good chef knife that will stay sharp and last me forever if possible. What would y'all suggest. To start off I am looking for chef knife that is at least 9 inches or larger. I was thinking about global knives but I'm not sure then i came across a 9.5 inch Torijo DP Damascus Chefs knife that I'm in love with but I don't want to waste my money . any advice is helpful.
     
  2. ordo

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    Read this whole forum and we can talk again in a year or two.
     
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  3. millionsknives

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    Or at least the last few dozen will let you ask insightful questions
     
  4. brianshaw

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    What is "killing" you about the house knives?

    What excites you about the Global or Torijo DP?
     
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  5. cheflayne

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    I would suggest getting a stone or two and learning how to take care of the house knives. You will learn a lot in the process, become a hero to your fellow coworkers, and be better prepared and knowledgeable before starting your own collection.
     
  6. millionsknives

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    Yeah there's no forever knife. All knives will dull and require sharpening. If you're sharpening with some skills, freehand, on waterstones, that's the least metal you can remove and restore the edge. Even if you do it right, you're removing a tiny bit of metal each time.

    Here is Iron Chef Masaharu Morimoto's yanagiba over 3 years of sharpening, twice a day, once before lunch and dinner service

    Not that you'll be sharpening 2x a day because your knives don't need to be world class sushi master sharpness.

    Learn to sharpen and you won't be afraid of new, used, vintage, whatever. You can buy and tune knives to your liking.
     
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  7. brianshaw

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    If the problem is that the knives are dull, doing as cheflayne suggests will make you a kitchen hero... Even if you don't get them scalpel sharp.
     
  8. phaedrus

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    A good knife will last a home cook maybe for his or her lifetime.  In a restaurant kitchen though knives are consumables/wear items.  No knife will stay sharp forever if it's being used hard, and you can't sharpen a knife without removing metal from it.  So do the math!  That said, the Tojiro DP knives are solid knifes with pretty good edge retention, especially compared to the typical house knives you generally see.
     
  9. mike9

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    Go over to the kitchen knife forums and search the many threads about guys having their knives stolen or damaged when they brought them to work.  A $1000 custom might as well be a Dexter if they are both dull.  Learning to sharpen will take you further in many ways.  The Richmond Artifex 240 gyuto in AEB-L can be had for $75 in the closeouts section here:  http://www.chefknivestogo.com/riar24gy.html   There are other good deals as well, but you won't be breaking the bank getting into J-style knives.
     
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  10. rick alan

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    You certainly don't have to break the bank for a good knife, but a caveat on the Artifex - that is likely one of the poorly made Lampson produced knives.

    Rick 
     
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  11. butleraustin92

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    Well the house knives go dull the night we get them. I go in three hours early on prep days to knock some extra prep for the rest of the restaurant out of the way but by the end of the night which s usually around 9 or 10 my knife  can slice a duck breast without giving me trouble.

    Also for the torijo knives. i have read a lot of things about them and i know their is no such thing as a forever knife but i do just want one that will last me a good while. I'm just tired of having to stop what i am doing to use the stone because the knife is not cutting effectively.
     
  12. butleraustin92

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    I really appreciaite everyones feedback thank you all
     
  13. galley swiller

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    I hope I'm not too late to jump in here.

    ButlerAustin92, you might want to look at the MAC BK-100.  It's part of the MAC Chef Series knives, and I was able to score one a few weeks ago.  It's an impressive relative bargain, as MAC knives go.

    The nearest comparison is between the MAC Pro MBK-95, the 9-1/2 in chef's knife and the MAC MBK-110, the 10-3/4 inch chef's knife.  The Chef series BK-100 is right between the two: 255mm, or just 1 mm more than 10 inches.

    Weight: BK-100 7.9 oz.; MBK-95  7.8 oz ; MBK-110  8.6 oz

    The steel used in all three knives is the same, MAC's "Original" steel, and the blade thickness is also the same - 2.5mm.  When I compared the BK-100 against the MBK-95, I could feel no difference in stiffness.

    The BK-100 balances right at the transition between the handle and the blade, so in a pinch grip, the balance is even.

    The major differences between the BK-100 and the MBK-95 and MBK-110 are (1) in appearance (the Pro series knives have a metal bolster, which BLD described as being sintered on, while the Chef series knives lack that metal bling); (2) the handle scales of the Chef series knives lead right up to the blade, while the bolster of the Pro series knives leaves a transition area along the tang between handle and blade; and (3) the blade profile of the BK-100 is a bit more triangular, with the spine of the knife and the edge of the knife continuing to spread apart the further aft on the blade towards the heel, while the Pro series knives tend to have the spine and edge more parallel towards the heel.

    Street discount prices are: BK-100, about $110.  MBK-95, about $185.  MBK-110 about $210.  

    Galley Swiller
     
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  14. lasagnaburrito

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    You're probably going to be looking at a Carbon Steel knife, as those knives hold their edges the best, and also sharpen a lot easier than other steels apparently, besides holding one of the sharpest edges of all steel.

    House knives... Suck...  IF you mean one of those knife sets like Faberware or w/e...  Most of them are jank garbage that a lot of people shouldn't be using.  They might be decent for the "Home cook" but in reality a great knife will be much better for everyone.


    As for a "Forever knife" a knife can last for a very long long time, as evident by people whipping out 30+ year old knives and showing them off/mentioning them on sites like this.  I have a 45 or so year old Chinese Cleaver that still have tons of life in it, because it's barely used.  The issue that people are bringing up, is that knives lose metal when they are sharpened, thus get smaller and smaller until they will eventually SNAP in half.  As long as the knife is still in tact, it will still work.  Depending how much you use it, and how much you sharpen it, will determine how long the knife will last.  Some people like to sharpen while the knife is still sharp, and some will wait until it's dull to sharpen.  IT seems it's easier to sharpen an already sharp knife, compared to sharpening a dulled knife.  Going through the cycel of sharp to dull mght make the knife last much longer, but will make it so you have to sharpen it more when the dulling comes, and might be trouble for a new user to sharpening as it might require additiona; sharpening steps.
     
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    Certainly, many of us can recommend carbon steel knives.  I can point to K-Sabatier or to Thiers-Issard for excellent Sabatier carbon steel blades, and many of us can point to such Japanese carbon steel knives as the CarboNext series (from japanesechefsknifde.com) as workhorse commercial knives.  But as Phaedrus pointed out in Post #8 above, and as Butleraustin92 acknowledged in Post #11, in a commercial kitchen environment, there's no such thing as a "Forever" knife.  And Butleraustin92 shows in his profile line that he is a line cook.

    As for Farberware or other such mass market gruel, you might note that no one here even brought them up.  The only low-end (if they were such) were the "house knives" in the restaurant kitchen.  Those were likely Victorinox/Forschner or Dexters or something else commercial.  Heck, we were not even talking about Zwillings or Wustie Classics or Ikons.

    Yes, knives can snap - especially such dross as mass-market garbage, where the mystery metal steel is mis-treated by its purchasers and allowed to sit in water indefinitely before being washed and dried.  And using a knife edge as a screwdriver doesn't help either.  But you do not even have to leave this post to see how very good steel can still be usable even when considerably thinned.  Look at MillionKnives Post #6 above to see how really good quality knives can hold up to even 3 years of sharpening twice a day.

    Yes, sharpening removes metal.  That's the only way that a dull edge can be made sharp again.  Usually, however, that results in quality knives with the edge being worn into the thick area towards the spine.  Metal fracturing isn't common under those circumstances for the knives we talk about here.  As for Farberware, well.......

    But even dulling and the need to re-sharpen can be delayed.  Using a quality cutting board (think "end grain hard maple") will slow down the dulling process.  So will honing with a good quality honing rod.  Honing doesn't do much metal removal, but it does realign the microscopic edge of the blade, so that the edge will present a narrower profile to the food being cut.  And that will extend the usable life of that edge significantly for all but the hardest knives.

    Almost all of those participating in this thread do know "something" about knives.

    Galley Swiller
     
  16. rick alan

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    I have a feeling Mr Nago never intended to completely retire at this time, and we'll be seeing his knives for a while.


    Rick
     
  18. atatax

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    I don't know, seems like it isn't an uncommen practice for people to retire and then realize that they miss work and unretire.
     
  19. rick alan

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    Though possibly a planned reduction in workload and suitable adjustment in marketing strategy.



    Rick
     
  20. lasagnaburrito

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    When you love what you do, why would you want to retire?  They retire, and realize that sitting around all day and playing golf is boring and "not productive" so they go back to their "passion."  As long as they can physically do that passion, that is.