I doubt myself.

Discussion in 'General Culinary School Discussions' started by rocktrns, Apr 17, 2010.

  1. rocktrns

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    I like to cook and want to go to culinary school,but I'm upset my teacher gave me a C in cooking class in high school my group is always done first our food always comes out great and we are the most creative group I have a passion for food,but when my teacher gives me a c in class it makes me doubt myself. on top of that someone that hasnt even tried anything i ate said i wasn't a good cook just because he was mad about something. How do I stop doubting myself?
     
  2. gunnar

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    get over it.  I had teachers give me bad grades, not because my work wasn't good but because I could have done better in their eyes. While it was unfair, it's also right.. Some advice,  before you get into culinary school, go work in a real kitchen. You think your teacher made you doubt yourself? Heh, wait till the real world shows you what you don't know. It doesn't get any easier then High School my friend.
     
  3. petemccracken

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    Remember, a "grade" is a measure of how well you "met the standards", not necessarily a measure of hard you worked nor how well you did what you did.
     
  4. web monkey

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    Maybe you did a perfect job on something that wasn't what he was looking for.

    Maybe you did a bad job on what he was looking for.

    Maybe he just didn't like what you made. I sent back what may have been a perfectly cooked piece of duck because it was raw inside. Raw poultry just grosses me out. The cook swore it was perfect. I don't know. Maybe it was. The last duck I had was roasted with crispy skin and a nice orange sauce and it certainly wasn't bleeding. Maybe it was bad, maybe not, in any case I knew I didn't like it.

    And I also know that the cook didn't go home that night worried about whether he was any good or not just because I didn't like my dinner.


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    Some people think this is heaven on a plate, other people think it's bait.

    If lots of people think you suck, you might actually want to look into finding out what you need to improve. If you ran into one person who didn't like it, just ignore it and move on.

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  5. kyheirloomer

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    Grades in high school may or may not reflect the work you actually did.

    I had a friend who barely squeeked through drama class, for various reasons. He's since been in several broadway plays. Which shows that a director (the real judge) saw his talent, while his high school teacher did not.

    The questions you have to ask yourself:

    1. Was I satisfied that this is the very best version of X I could produce?
    2. Why did I get a C? Was it a fair judgement of the dish, or did it reflect bias on the part of the teacher?
    3. Do I have a real passion for cooking----enough to make a career out of it? Or is it something I'd rather do as a hobby?

    BTW, if you let somebody who hasn't tasted your food affect your self-worth you need some help. That person's opinion---good or bad---doesn't count. How can he possibly know whether you're a good cook or not?

    One of the best things you can do is take Gunnar's advice about working in a commercial kitchen before making a decision. Culinary schools are expensive, and you really want some first-hand experience before making a life-decision like that.

    Just out of curiosity, would you be willing to post what you made that earned that C, including the recipe?
     
  6. gypsy2727

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    Travis to answer your question "How do I stop doubting myself" Answer 'Stop doubting yourself" It's the things in life that were there all along that we so seldom realize. Gunnar is right ...work in a kitchen first you will pretty much know right away ...You either love it or hate it. I grew up in a kitchen. My family owned a steak house . I am the oldest of 5 kids and the only one to have any interest in the kitchen! My brothers and sisters still don't get it...

     
     
  7. rocktrns

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    Well its just a Culinary arts class in highschool
    The teacher (She) isnt a culinary intructor she went to school for Consumer science.  There are 6 kitchens they look like small normal house kitchens and there are 5 groups of 4 my group has 3 people.  We take test on what we learn like we learnt about cheese and stuff,but Labs are when we cook we do labs almost everyday.  She just finds a recipe and gives it for all the groups to follow then we eat it she doesnt taste what we make I guess she grades us on group work.  I'm always the chef and we only have 45 minutes so I keep my group  running smooth and effiecent. We are always done first and we have a kitchen leaned up before we eat.  I got a C for my marking Period Grade  and i dont know how she grades my group works well together all the other people dont even know how to hold a knife properly.  I think I'm a great cook  the teacher tells me she wants me to enter some competitions but if she thinks i'm good why did she give me a C she doesnt just grade Labs she grades out notes and that day my notebook was in my locker,but I atleast deserve a B someone in another group got a B and there not nearly as passonate in cooking as I am ,and we all make the same thing every day and she doesnt taste the food so how would she grade us?
     
  8. greg

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    When I was in culinary school, I got a little bent out of shape over a grade. I went to the director of the culinary program to talk to him about it. He told me to worry less about grades and more about whether I thought I was learning and developing. That said, I think the only way for you to come to any amount of understanding in your situation is to ask your teacher why you received the grade you did and what you can do to improve in the future.
     
  9. petemccracken

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    Hm, something is "not right here", your avatar says "Professional Chef" yet you are in a culinary class in high school?

    Second, no one "deserves" a grade, whether in high school, culinary school, or college, one EARNS a grade, somehow you must not be satisfying the teacher's expectations.

    Remember, the "teacher" has met the standards to be licensed and hired as a teacher. How s/he goes about the job is NOT your choice, how YOU go about satisfying the teacher IS your choice.
     
  10. rocktrns

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    Well I changed my title I think it comes up automatically.

    She is not a culinary instructor she has never been to culinary school.
    this is just an elective that i take in highschool she gives us recipes to follow and we make the food and the we eat it she doesnt taste what we make she just sees how we work together,and my group works together fine.  I want to go to culinary school when I graduate in 2011.  I took this class because I enjoy food,but I dontknow why she gave me  C when she doesnt even taste the food she tells me that I should join Cooking competitions so obviously she thinks I have potential.
     
  11. bughut

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    If US is anything like UK. Cookery class is a farce!  Very enjoyable, but pelease! dont judge me on what the instructer knows.  Seriously. My 16 going on 17 year old had to choose a menu from a country for his final exam. he chose Thai, cos we cook a lot of it at home and he's used to working with the ingedients
    We pay through the nose each year for the Academy to provide ingredients. yet they give him a ripe mango for papaya salad. No lemon grass, no galangal, no kafir lime leaves.  So I had to fork out at the local chinese grocer at the last minute, £5 for agreen papaya and send him to school with the rest of the ingredients from my freezer. (which are readily available at said grocers)

    Now, All this aside, when it came to marking the 3 course meal, All  the adjudicators admitted they knew very little of Thai food. Their knowledge wasnt enough to judge Gregors menu and they simply scored him on his taste/presentation/ and overall performance.     He got an A???

    My advice would be to listen to the advice of the others above. If you truly want to work in this business, get some real experience. My no.2 son went from dishwasher to head chef in 2 years. The fact that he drives a truck now is beside the point. (Check out theads on burn out)

    I suppose what I'm trying to say is...there are no rules. If you want it bad enough, you'll get there

    I wish you the very best of luck with your chosen path.
     
  12. dc sunshine

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    Hi Travis - I am slightly confused  amd bemused that she does not taste the the results of what you cook,  surely this is the main purpose of cooking - to make somethomg that tastes well., is well cooked and seasoned,
     and hopefully, looks presentable.  But the taste is foremost.  I really do not see how she can grade you on somthing she hasn't tasted.  That is just plain ridiculous.  And unfair to you and your team.  I don't know what type of opportunity/avenues you have to approach this silly state of affairs at your school, but I woulld look into it.  If you are having problems with the teacher, maybe others are tool

    My son, whose great love is music, is ready to give that up as a subject at College because of his teacher.  So is most of the class.  She sounds like a real shocker, always destructive criticism.  Never anything positive.

    For sure, working in a pro kitchen will soon sort out if the kitchen life is for you.  If it is, go with it.  If the pro life  is not for you, don't let it discourage you from cooking for the sheer joy of it /img/vbsmilies/smilies/peace.gif  Keep going with it, home cooking can be great.
     
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    Pete - this teacher is not even tasting the food.....
     
  14. rocktrns

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    Thanks for understanding my fustrations its not even a culinary class its my second year taking this class. Last year i took Foods Basics,and now this class is like food funamentals,and next year as a senior in highschool I will be taking culinary Arts honors.
    This grade (C) is making me doubt myself.  I am almost certain that i want to go in the culinary feild i like cooking and even in this class I help my group run efficent and smooth and when we get done before any o the other groups it makes me happy that we used time managment skills to get our plates out on our tables before the end of the period.  I just don't know what she is grading if she isnt tasting our food.  alls she does is give us a recipe and we follow it and make it,and then eat it.
     
    I want to go to one of the Arts institutes for Culinary managment or Johnson ,and wales.
     
  15. kyheirloomer

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    Travis, more and more I'm convinced you have to just get through the class, but generally ignore this so-called teacher. She doesn't have the requisite skills to teach such a class (not an unusual thing with electives), and is just winging it with grades.

    I know how frustrated it can be for you, with that C. But there is, unfortunately, not much you can do about it.

    But, from everything you say, it is certainly not the result of anything you did or did not do. So, while you surely have the right to fume about it, don't let it effect how you view yourself.
     
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    I took a course like that in high school, and was pretty mediocre, and then was at the top of my class when I took baking at college. It just depends on exactly what they're looking for.

    I think you said that she's happy with your cooking, so you really need to ask her what she's grading you on if you're not sure. It could be that she's taking points off if you're always taking the lead and not letting the other members of your group be the manager, or something like that. From what I remember from that class, it was all about teamwork, sharing responsibilities, staying calm all of the time, and being a really fair wth everyone.
     
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    Thanks that makes me feel much better

    I think you are right i always take the leader ship role,but no one else knows how to even when I let them take the role they end up asking me a question and i end up having to do it.  They are afraid to get there hands dirty with the food and I always just roll up my sleves and work with the food because that what i enjoy if i give the rest of my group a leadership role as (Chef) they would end up asking me a question.

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  18. canadatogo

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    I am going to sound like a giant [email protected], and I'm genuinely not trying to, but it isn't your problem the other kids don't know how to lead, it's theirs. And the teachers'. If they have problems or questions they should be asking the teacher, because that's what she's there for. If the person who's leading asks you a question, you can always just play dumb and make them ask the teacher.

    When I was in that course I also had three people in my group, and every class we had a different person be the chef, the worker, and the dishwasher. Yes, we were all helping each other all of the time, but everyone had one main job, and you went along with whatever the 'chef' said, because they were in charge (and if they weren't too sure we forced them to go talk to the teacher)

    (Sorry, I don't mean to come across as rude, just having a bit of a bad day, so it might)
     
  19. rocktrns

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    Lol there was nothing mean about that post I understand,but its just so hard not to help when I already know how to do it.

    If I may ask did any of you go to culinary school if so did what type of degree did you get?
     
  20. chefedb

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     I had teachers give me a bad grade. I fooled around a lot. But as I got older and matured I got a scholarship and graduated. After graduating I went back and HIRED some of these teachers to help me in my catering business!!!!!