Good starting whet stone set?

Discussion in 'Cooking Knife Reviews' started by hooligan, Oct 18, 2015.

  1. hooligan

    hooligan

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    Hello everyone.

    I have been using tojiro-DPs As my primary knives for one year now, I have gyoto 300mm, Western deba 240mm, nakiri and small petty. I think they have been amazing compared to knives, I've previously used (some very cheap basic knives). Recently I've started to read more about carbon knives and just ordered masamoto KS WA gyoto 240mm.

    I've been using king duo stone 1k/6k for tojiros and liked the result so far. But now since I'm starting to upgrade my knives, I've been thinking about upgrading my stones aswell. So what stone set you would you recommend? I've read lot of good things about shapton glass stones.

    Are they the best to get, or atleast close to it? Would three stones being 1k,4k and 8k be good enough set, or is it necessary to get greater variety of stones, like 500, 1k, 2k, 4k, 8k? Money really isn't problem, but I really don't want to waste it for the extra, if I don't really have to. Is 8k fine enough, or should I get even finer ones?

    Thanks for everyone's thoughts and insight!

    -HooLiGaN
     
  2. millionsknives

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    Shapton glass are very hard.  You can get by if you know what you're doing, but it's not my first choice for knives.

    You're missing two things

    1) A coarser stone will make quicker work of certain tasks: repairing chips, setting bevels, thinning.   Spend money on this instead of higher grit.  Higher grit is for single bevel sushi knives, chisels, and razors. 

    2) stone flattener to maintain your stones

    On top of that, if you want to upgrade your medium stone and finishing stone to something bigger or splash and go, I think it's worth the money, but I also sharpen a lot.  More expensive stones will be 8"x3" bigger than the king 7x2.5" or whatever it is.

    This is a good complete set, just add a diamond plate for flattening:

    http://www.japaneseknifeimports.com/sharpening-supplies/ara-toishi/gesshin-stone-set.html

    Slightly cheaper side, there's a guy selling shapton professional on ebay cheaper than CKTG.  Also Naniwa Professional (formerly naninwa chosera) are in the same league as shapton pro.

    Be aware, some stones are soaker and some are splash and go, so think about how you like to work
     
  3. benuser

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    As you live in Europe you may consider the Naniwa Professionals which are easily available and not as expensive as in the States.
    Please be aware of import tax, local VAT and handling costs if you buy from outside the Union.
     
  4. hooligan

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    So this naniwa professional set would be pretty good? It's inside Eu, so I don't need to pay tax.

    http://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-naniwa-package-deal-professional-stones-600-2000-5000.htm

    Or would this be better for my tojiro-DPs (VG-10) and new masamoto KS? I'm planning to add few more carbon knives in future.

    http://www.knivesandtools.co.uk/en/pt/-package-deal-naniwa-professional-stones-400-1000-3000.htm

    Basically is 3000 high enough or would you prefer going up to 5000?
    Or even higher? 8k

    -HooLiGaN
     
  5. benuser

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    I know them quite well except for the 600 I haven't used myself. My favourite progression is 400, 800, 3k which corresponds to the Japanese standard JIS 500, 1200, 4k. Avoid their 5k. Too expensive, rarely usefull, a bit softer with a lack of tactile back-up. Perhaps you may find somewhere a Naniwa Junpaku 8k AKA snow-white instead for the ultimate deburring, but there's nothing wrong with spending a bit more time on the 3k
    You could spend the saved money with a 2k, a splendid stone that will allow you to work much faster.
     
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  6. benuser

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    I should add that I like large jumps for sharpening, but not for deburring.