Discussing grammar with my friend and me [not I]

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It's not likely we'll ever be able to change any of the bad habits that have taken root, blossomed and are now casting their vile seeds everywhere,  including in mass media where one would rightly expect to see correct grammar, pronunciation and spelling.  Even teachers are ignorant in this area.  My dear neighbor is a retired school teacher.  An example of something she might say would be "George went to town with Jean and I".    That affects me like [or should  it be as?] fingernails on a blackboard! 
 
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That affects me like [or should  it be as?] fingernails on a blackboard! 
Like would be correct in this sentence because there is no verb after like, therefore it is acting as a preposition, which is correct usage. However, if you had said "That affects me as if someone was scraping fingernails on a blackboard" then as if would be correct. This rule really counts more in formal writing. For a message board, no one is going to call you out on like vs. as. At least they shouldn't.

BTW, props for using affects correctly. That's one that bothers me.
 
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...BTW, props for using affects correctly. That's one that bothers me.
The effect of the misuse of "affect" affects me in ways that I'm hesitant to describe because of the adverse effect it might have on the one who misuses "affect", or for that matter, "effect"! /img/vbsmilies/smilies/crazy.gif
 
 
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Like would be correct in this sentence because there is no verb after like, therefore it is acting as a preposition, which is correct usage. However, if you had said "That affects me as if someone was scraping fingernails on a blackboard" then as if would be correct. This rule really counts more in formal writing. For a message board, no one is going to call you out on like vs. as. At least they shouldn't.

BTW, props for using affects correctly. That's one that bothers me.
If I were marking your paper, I would give you a very slight ding here.

That affects me like someone scraping fingernails on a blackboard [implied: would affect me].

That affects me as if someone were scraping fingernails on a blackboard.

The latter example requires the subjunctive mood. Really, both of the sentences require it, but in the first case the verb of the dependent clause is implied anyway --- would affect me.

On the words "affect" and "effect," I'm entirely in agreement with all of you.

Don't get me started about "it's", nor about "their" as a singular, neuter, possessive pronoun (e.g., every student should do their own homework).
 
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If I were marking your paper, I would give you a very slight ding here.

That affects me like someone scraping fingernails on a blackboard [implied: would affect me].

That affects me as if someone were scraping fingernails on a blackboard.

The latter example requires the subjunctive mood. Really, both of the sentences require it, but in the first case the verb of the dependent clause is implied anyway --- would affect me.

On the words "affect" and "effect," I'm entirely in agreement with all of you.

Don't get me started about "it's", nor about "their" as a singular, neuter, possessive pronoun (e.g., every student should do their own homework).
Yeah, your right about subjunctive.

My last sentence contains perhaps my biggest pet peeve in grammar. Your, you are.  Come on people.
 
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You're also correct that the plural possessive, "their," was inappropriate for a single actor.  Indeed, every student should do its own homework.

BDL
 
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The problem with using "their" as singular is understandable, though.

Most people instinctively shy away from using "it" when referring to people. Once upon a time we merely used "he, his, etc." In other words, the masculine form held in both the male and general cases.

Nowadays, of course, such usage is politically incorrect. Among other things this has led to confusion, ambiguity, and awkwardness of sentance structure as people struggle to find the right form.

Personally, I find your general solution (i.e., using the female form in the general case) repugnant. All it does is reverse a cultural bias, without actually solving the problem.
 
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When so many people can't determine the difference between "lose" and "loose", or the difference between "to", "two", and "too", I give up on everything else. 
 
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A panda eats, shoots and leaves.

This is a great thread to have made a typo in.
 
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BTW, props for using affects correctly.

Grammer aside, I just can't keep up with today's abbreviations and meanings.

This one has been turning up a lot, later. Please: What is, or are, props in this usage?
 
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BTW, props for using affects correctly.

Grammer aside, I just can't keep up with today's abbreviations and meanings.

This one has been turning up a lot, later. Please: What is, or are, props in this usage?
Yes, inquiring minds want to know. 
 
 
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Other irritations: 

1. Saying rout, when meaning route. 

"What route [root] did the general take to rout [rowt] the enemy?"

2. Data is not datta. 
 
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Don't know whether it's just Scotland - but the inability to spell definitely correctly. I even HEAR it spoken as DEFINATELY! n And lots of my students use that spelling in written work.
 
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And "data" is plural, not singular, that is "datum" (and THAT is why my Mother insisted I take Latin in high school!) /img/vbsmilies/smilies/crazy.gif
 
This is correct. However, in modern usage, I think it is often acceptable to use some singular Latin nouns with an "s" at the end. For example, the correct way to refer to more than one stadium would be a group of "stadia". However, most people accept the usage of "stadiums" as well.

I really hate when people say "I could care less" or "I can't stress the importance of..." Both of these are counter intuitive, and anytime I hear someone say one of these phrases, I want to punch them. 
 
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Don't know whether it's just Scotland - but the inability to spell definitely correctly. I even HEAR it spoken as DEFINATELY! n And lots of my students use that spelling in written work.
OOPS! I'm guilty of this.  Even though I know the difference, that pesky A sneaks in there.  /img/vbsmilies/smilies/blushing.gif
 
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This one has popped up recently,  and it's very irritating to me:

"Suddenly the light bulb went OFF in my head, and I had a great idea".   Who started that?  When I get a great idea,  a light bulb goes ON! 
 
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My experiences as a manager had to deal with applications. I would always take the bad spellers and place them in a separate stack first, then read the ones with better grammar.

When I found that ALL the applications had grammatical/spelling errors, I had to go back and try another idea to separate the good from the bad.

With spell check and online dictionaries there is no excuse for bad grammar.

Another word that gets me is:

"irregardless."........

...or when people say..." On Saturday we's going to the city to see a movie.
 
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"My sister and I's dog ran away".    We know that's wrong,  but what is correct? 

1."My sister and my's dog ran away" ... not

2, "My sister and my dog ran away" ... looks like the sister ran away also

3. "Our dog ran away" ... I like this only for it's simple correctness,  but it fails to define who "our" might be.

4. share your own version
 
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