Damascus 240 'Chef's' recommendation

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  1. bonesetter

    bonesetter

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    Looking for a hammered Damascus 240mm chef's gyuto knife

    Things I would like:

    Easy to sharpen (so stainless or one of those interesting sounding carbons). Also not VG-10

    I don't want a cladded - 'faux damascus' type

    Western handle

    Not a German profile with a high tip, but also not totally flat French style

    Budget - hopefully somewhere between $100 - $200 but can stretch to $300

    All help very much appreciated 
     
  2. bonesetter

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    Thanks Millions

    Your suggestion linked above has a damascus cladding (I like the fact it has carbon core)

    I kinda wanted to avoid the faux cladding, for all the reasons I have read about - thick blade, scratch and fade? And if ever I wanted the blade thinned it would look bad?

    Other thing, I was hoping for more of a western style handle

    This combination seems thin on the ground, as most are VG-10

    Thanks again
     
  3. millionsknives

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    Tanaka is iron clad.  It's easy to thin when you need to, as opposed to stainless cladding which feels kind of gummy on the stones.

    Any damascus knife you thin is going to scratch up the blade face.  You need to refinish with a sandpaper progression and some flitz.  You can also make it 'pop' with some light etching

    If you want a low maintenance knife that looks good after normal sharpening, look at wide bevel knives and forget damascus
     
  4. ordo

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    You don't want clad (layered) blades. You don't want pattern welding (faux damascus). Are you after a single metal damascus?
     
  5. bonesetter

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    I haven't looked at single bevelled knives at all. Could you kindly link an example?

    Thankyou
     
  6. bonesetter

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    Yes, I was thinking of a non-clad single metal Damascus

    This ebay knife looks just what I was after (not sure about material as I don't know anything about that particular one), but the profile is a tad flat for my liking, not sure about the handle and of course, it is a Santoku 

    Sakai Takayuki Swedish Stainless Hammered Damascus Wa-Santoku Knife
     
  7. bonesetter

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    ordo - reply to you awaiting moderation
     
  8. millionsknives

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    The sharpening is similar, but I'm talking about a wide bevel double bevel knife like this:
    Those are expensive.  Delbert Ealy, Devin Thomas, other customs.  Doesn't exist in this price range
     
  9. bonesetter

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    I've looked properly at the above. Looks a nice knife for sure, and decent value considering the price

    I like the profile, the material and the handle looks better than a lot of the the big ferrules I see on some of the J-knives (my Tojiro Shirogami has a largeish plastic ferrule)

    Would ideally prefer some hammering, but....
     
  10. ordo

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    Why?
     
  11. bonesetter

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    I put a link in the post which needs moderation (for some reason??)

    Basically I said I would like a single metal, but as MoK's said, that costs. Although the link was to an eBay  Sakai Takayuki Swedish Stainless Hammered Damascus Wa-Santoku Knife which is single metal and costs $105  
     
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  12. ordo

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    I see. You mean this one:


    It's clad (Swedish SS steel core) and faux damascus.
     
  13. bonesetter

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    Yes ordo, that'll be it

    So, for a single metal blade you need to spend upwards of 500?
     
  14. ordo

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    Oh, no. MillionKnives just mentioned 'author' damascus knives from very reputable blade-smiths in America.

    If you resign the idea of having a fashion damascus blade, and please do it, you can have for instance a Hiromoto (Benuser can tell more about this brand than me, but i guess the Honyaki series is single metal) for about $279, which is really cheap for honyaki blades. Here's a 240 mm. gyuto (please skip the Santoku).


    Also Misono Swedish mono steel 240 mm. gyuto for $137,70


    Masamoto HC 240 mm. virgin carbon steel gyuto for $212.


    And Hattori, Kanemasa, etc., all single metal knives NON damascus.
     
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  16. bonesetter

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    My god - I can truly say that's the most beautiful knife I've come across. The damascus pattern is the best I've seen (better than all the Kramer's I've seen). Love the handle, the sloping bolster, the relief on the choil. Just wow

    Cosmo knife 8" fusion

     
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  17. rick alan

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    He even knows your preferred profile, to the T I'd say.

    Rick
     
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  18. bonesetter

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    He he

    As much as I have the lust and would love to romp around with that for an afternoon, I wouldn't like to own the knife - for its profile.

    Yes, the high tippers (well, my Robert Welch) have not being seeing much action of late.... it's the JCK carbonext I reach for pretty much for everything. I have being practicing sharpening all the knives on the stones and the JCK has taken on an extraordinarily sweet edge and combined with a strong feel through the blade, and yes, a much lower height tip, has become an absolute joy to use

    I can still rock just fine, onion dicing has become show off, and all with less elbow /img/vbsmilies/smilies/smoking.gif

    Cosmo does however do custom. No idea on pricing I suppose for one of those bad boys?

    The Kai Shun 9.5" hammered damascus Tim Mlazer which I ordered 5 weeks ago is currently in shipping. I'll probably send it back 

    Thanks everyone for the advice so far - you guys rock - although the wallet looks like continuing to get a fair bit lighter
     
  19. rick alan

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    Oh as far as the profile, got you mixed up with another recent poster.  He wanted the big belly but a lower than typical German tip, that sums up the Cosmo.  Who the hell was that now?

    Hard to say what he'd do a custom for, you'll just have to wait till he gets back from vacation.  I don't think he's well known yet though, so that helps.  These are all essentially one-off knives, so I don't think the price would change much for a different profile.

    Rick