Customer Service, where to draw the line

I'd find a job in a decent place that didn't sell chips topped with gravy, life is to short to deal with that kinda crap! IMO.

 

First off, I guess I should wish you luck job hunting. And second off, I remember hearing at some time, somewhere, about a theoretical mathematical equation about this kind of situation. I can't remember exactly how it went, but it went somewhere along the line of, "if it costs less to make the customer happy than what you would lose in potential business by them being unhappy, it's worth the 'waste' to keep them happy." I'm not sure if that helps, or if that even makes sense, but I hope you get the idea.

 

Unfortunately you can't please everyone and I'm sorry you have that complaint stuck to your record now.

I hope you can get out of there soon!

 

Don't knock poutine, Au Pied De Cochon serves it. I echo the moving on sentiment though. Perhaps to a place that isn't so dogmatic as to place a clearly undeserved complaint in your employee file automatically.

 

No the customer is NOT always right.

You basicaly have two tactics to deal with such people.

One is "X(name of your restaurant) standard", as is in, "this is our standard, and due to company policy we can not deviate from this standard".

Two is to grab the duty manger and let him deal with the physco.

Believe it or not you are in contol in this situation. The physco wants something, either for free, or additional items for free, or to see you get canned. I don't what makes these people tick and why they want this "extra service" or why they feel entitled to it--maybe they lost thier home or maybe they don't like the way you comb your hair.

In any case they want something from you and only you can give it to them. You have the power to deny or grant their wishes. The "broken record" tactic works well, just keep repeating the same thing over and over again in a plain, flat voice--drives them nuts becasue they want a fight and you won't give it to them. If they start yelling, you have to tlell them that you can't give the what they want until they cool down. Many cases they'll walk out.

Good luck. Sorry to hear this sh** happened to you, but it will crop up again and agian, and again.....

 

As friendly as I can be, this is the type of customer that instantly makes me "shut down". Psuedo smart, pouty, spoiled, make you feel obligated instab!tch. When dealing with this kind of customer i usually just stand by the ticket i received. "The ticket says you wanted "X", you got "X" is there a problem?" if at this point the customer "pushes it" my next best response is "Let me get the manager/owner, they will be able to facilitate any requests easier then I could..."

now I can seem sympathetic (sometimes I actually am) and get back to my job, which is cooking food, not holding finicky peoples hands. Just keep in mind that the owner or manager will likely just tell you to refire the order and this time add "Y" not "X" and possibly be annoyed for you knowing your limits when it comes to customer relations.

 

:thumb:I know, I know, it's a Canadian thing Please excuse my British sense of humor, I thought my response was quite funny!

 

IMO, you were wrong. Whether the customer was right or wrong, the customer is always right. In this particular case, it was easy enough to please her. Your unhappiness with your job affected your performance.

Advice (from someone who's read all your posts, sympathizes and likes you): Act like a professional. Lose the stick. Lose the attitude.

BDL

 

Hang on a sec, weneed to clarfy a few things.

Do you have poutine on the menu?

If you do, are you comfortable serving it?

If not, you should direct the guest away from the item.

A guest who is screaming infront of customers over a $5.00 item is not worth keeping.

 

C'est la vie des chefs, if you think that you can count on others to do even as little as show up to work then the restaurant biz is not for you, not as a chef any way, one difference between cooks and chefs are chefs adapt and cooks complain. Give her the gravy and cheese, who's gonna turn you in the food police, are you running a full inventory every shift with exact weights then figuring out how many of each item you sold then figuring out what product was theoretically needed to produce said menu items so your boss could determine that one customer got extra gravy and cheese give me a break that's simply not reality. I know these are not the things you want to hear but sometimes you've got to realize that it wouldn't be called hospitality if you didn't have to be hospitable even to people that don't deserve it. If you think its bad in your location now know that the higher the price the greater the expectation and the more pompous and assuming clients you will be serving. l would tell your superiors that alot of people complain about the putine having enough gravy and curds. But I could be completely wrong and you could have a ligitimate gripe, if your job is that bad, do lousy work and get fired then collect and find a new job, if there is something you don't like in life, change it cause you only get one and tomorrow is no place to place your better days.

 

Ethical, look at headless's last post again. They have standard portion control, other staff take it unto themsleves to abuse this and offer larger portions. What a mess! And it reflects more on the management than eanyone else. Ergo, the customer wants a larger portion and doesn't want to pay for it.`

IMHO the customer is abusing the restaurant, and only frequents the restaurant because it is poorly managed and therefore easy to abuse.

Me, I'm a wierd guy, I strongly believe that serving a customer is a business transaction: I supply goods and service, and the customer compensates me, each party is equal: That is, no party is superior to another, and therfore no party is inferior to another.

The customer is abusing the situation, and when she doesn't get what she wants she screams at the employee and infront of othe customers. Is the customer right to do so?

Is the customer always right?
My definition of the impossible or just plumb crazy is trying to please everyone all the time--basically every customer who walked in through my doors since I first opened up.

Is the customer always right?
Well, I can come halfway to those who say the customer is, and agree that the customer should leave the place thinking that they're right......
Look, when you go to large public events or places, it is a prudent thing to keep your wallet and valuables secure, thieves and pickpockets are out there.

When you open a restaurant to the public, you are open to customers, but also open to thieves and opportunists. I've been in this biz for 27 years now, 14 of them with my own biz, and I believe in the "2/10" rule.

That is, about 2% of all customers are outright thieves, specifically coming in with the intention of not paying (shoplifting, dine & dash, importing hair, glass shards, insects, credit card fraud, etc) and about 10% are opportunists.

What's an opportunist? A customer who sees an opportunity not to pay full price.

For example in my shop, I sell chocolates and pastries, at least once a week I get it: Customer buys product, pays up, and is happy untill s/he looks at the cash tape reciept.
First question: "Is this place a franchise or a branch?"
No, I am idependant, although I take pride in a nice, well designed store
Second question: " Then why are you charging me tax?"
Well dearie, because it's the law?
"Can't you just forget the tax, or give me a 15% discount?"
Well dearie, I could mark everything up by 15% and do it your way, but it wouldn't be fair to everyone else.
The customer wants the opportunity NOT to pay tax because I'm not a franchise, therefore I'm a small business owner and meant to be taken advantage of. This has absolutely nothing to do with the quality of my goods or service
Is the customer right to think/do so?

My wife is a petite Asian with an accent. Upon hearing the accent about 10% immediately want to bargain, inspite of clearly advertised prices . When I have other Asian women without accents working for me, or when I work up front, this only happens about 1% of the time.
Is the customer right to want to bargain in a store with fixed prices?

Fund raising......
At least twice a week I get fundraisers. Some are intelligent and can pitch a good yarn. I volunteer my time at local schools, provide free product for auctions, allow space for posters and pamphlets. Yet least once a month I get hit over the head:
"HI, I'm from....(name of school, fundraiser, etc). We have over X amount of members. The reason we don't come to your store is because you don't work with us....."
Well dearie, it would suicidal and probably illegal if I insisted that everyone who buys from me MUST donate to, say the Haitian relief fund or Aids research. Yet, this type of aggressive "fundraising" approach is more and more common.
Is it right for the customer to demand this?

I'm a far cry away from poutine, so I'd better get off my soap box now.....

 

Well headless, looks like I'm the only one who's going to reply to you.

To those who say "Give the customer the extra fries and cheese, it's only a couple of bucks fer crying out loud", I say: Look after your other customers...

If you or your manager buckled in and gave pyscho-queen what she wanted, guaranteed that two or more other customers in the dining room would be "disgruntled". Everyone in the dining room got a show with thier dinner, don't think this was a coincidence on pyscho-queen's part... The other customers paid the same price for the same item, why does pyscho-queen get the extra treatment? Should they too, demand extra portions? Should they throw a hissy-fit too?

In any case, a restaurant has every right to refuse service to customers it deems unfit--at least in Canada anyway. Don't let anyone tell you different......

 

Can't you kindly invite her to dine elsewhere in future? Sometimes it's best to ask inconsolable customers to not come back.

'The customer is always right' isn't a blank check for every village idiot to be unreasonable or to harass and humiliate hard working chefs and wait staff.....

Sometimes you must draw the line between what's reasonable and what's not.
If a customer wants a liter of gravy and is prepared to pay extra then give them a bowl and soup spoon; if they want it for free then that's clearly unreasonable.....the restaurant didn't get it's food for free and the staff aren't volunteers.

Here in Europe politeness is next to godliness, at least until the customers become rude; at that point they are asked to leave. Simple.

 

I really want to discus this with you, BDL.
If this is your business philosophy and it works for you in your restaurant or catering biz or whatever it is that o/o, then great. But if you want everyone else to believe in this philosophy, you need to elaborate a bit on it, and give applications in real situations.

Pity headless. First he gets hit over the head at work--abused by a customer and then given the double standard by his superiors of having a black mark against him AND a ban on the person who gave him that mark (A double standard if there ever as one...), but now he's asking us--industry professionals for advice.

What have we given him? That's it's his fault and that he should smarten up? Have we given him examples on how to handle such customers?

Please, lets discuss this.

 

Pump,

Check your PMs.

BDL

 

O.K. so you're short staffed that day. Were you waiting on tables or is this a widow pickup? How is it that the customer can approach you?

The food went out according to franchise standards, right?

The customer starts screaming at you, there MUST have been a manager or other employee to see the whole thing?

Just trying to picture the scene here