Bieng Vegan Is there a disadvantage ?

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  1. homemadecook

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    Most often i heard is the veggies eater is the best and have a great advantage among the rest . . But is there an disadvantage of this, specially those who became a vegan for how many years. Are they got complete mineral ,vitamins and etc. without eating meat anymore. are they have complete diet? Is there also side effect? Just a sort of confuse. Have a idea with this doubtful ?Thank ahead ,.
     
  2. siduri

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    First of all, vegetarians eat anything that is not an animal or a part of an animal.  They eat eggs, milk, cheese.  Vegans eat no animal product.  There's a big difference. 

    Vegetarians can have a perfectly balanced diet if they eat well - lots of legumes taken with grains, or legumes with seeds, or grains with seeds, or grains with milk or eggs, or legumes with milk or eggs, etc.  These mixtures and others if consumed together are digested and assimilated the same as the protein of meat.  Traditional poor people food was made of this - pasta and chick peas, lentils and bread, lentils and rice, pasta with grated cheese (the small amount of cheese mixes with the protein of the grain), and so on.  If you're interested in it you should read a good vegetarian book - Laurel's Kitchen is excellent, not so much for the recipes but for the scientific understanding of foods.  It's thoroughly researched and very good. 

    My daughter is vegetarian and went through an entire pregnancy without any anemia, which most women get even who eat plenty of meat. 

    Vegans instead, lose out on some essential substances that they have to replace with supplements. 

    Some people just hate meat and always have.  Some people think it's better for health.  Some do it for ethical reasons. 
    I love meat, but having cooked for a vegetarian i've come to appreciate the kind of cooking (more work for sure) that goes with it, and it can be very satisfying.  But Vegan cooking would be way too much of a deprivation - as Lewis Black says, "soy milk?? What the $^&*^! That's not *&^%$ milk, call it what it is.  It's soy JUICE! And who wants to drink soy JUICE!"

    But to each his own.
     
  3. homemadecook

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    ohh really being a vegan help eliminate the problem of anemia .. i got that kind of problem i suffered unsleepiness night i dont know what to do ...! Even if your a vegan , even if you dont eat meat for protein you can get complete protein in vegetables alone?
     
  4. french fries

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    My understanding is the disadvantage of being a vegan is that you'll need to make sure you get enough proteins, and also that the proteins you get are a little longer to absorb by your system than animal proteins (don't really know the exact science behind that).

    Having said that with a little research I understand you can get all the nutrients your body needs from a vegan diet. Tons of people do it and have done the research behind it so you'll have to turn to them for advice and experience.

    One thing I've learned, for example, is that you need to mix lentils with rice to get the right kind of proteins into your system, which rice alone or lentils alone would not give you.

    As for anemia, I always understood it as being an iron deficiency, and red meat is full or iron. The body doesn't absorb the little iron supplements as well (or at all?) as iron in meat. I know of at least one vegetarian in my entourage which suffered from anemia quite a lot when going vegetarian, and once pregnant was told to eat red meat.
     
  5. siduri

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    ABSOLUTELY NOT - being a vegan is not a cure for anemia or sleeplessness!!!!  I only said that if you are a vegetarian you don't NECESSARILY have to be anemic or lack protein. 

    It sounds like you want a magic fad diet to cure your problems, and that doesn't exist.
     
    Iron comes from vegetables and not just from meat, but don;t confuse iron and protein.  Iron will come from huge dishes of cooked green vegetables, and other stuff like lentils, that you have to eat at each meal.  You can't just have a couple of broccoli pieces for a side dish.  And you need to eat lots of kinds of vegetables.  YOu have to love vegetables, you have to love to cook, you have to love beans.

    Protein comes from mixing legumes (beans, lentils, chickpeas, peas, peanuts) with grains (preferably whole grains) like wheat, rice, barley and their products like bread, pasta, and/or seeds (sesame, sunflower) and/or nuts and/or milk, cheese, yoghurt, eggs, IN THE SAME MEAL and every meal. 

    There is a substance that is essential (i don;t remember what it is) that vegans need to supplement. 

    This kind of cooking takes a whole lot of time, soaking beans, cooking them a long time, etc.  Not an easy thing, and you have to really love vegetables and legumes, or you will harm your health, not improve it. 
     
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  6. charron

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    I don't know about sleeplessness, but I do know that I am prone to anemia and on the occasions when I attempted to go (just) vegetarian the symptoms became very pronounced, much worse.  I had researched, and do love to cook and experiment, but I was unable to attune the diet correctly and so my health suffered.

    Vegans need to be far more careful, educated, and aware of both their diet and their own state of health.  It can be a very tough job to do correctly but, as with anything, passion can make the task seem easier.

    I've often wondered if claims of a person's blood type affecting their dietary needs were true.  Is it easier to be vegan for those who have 'O' type blood, the original blood type of foragers?  Are people like me, with "B" type blood (allegedly developed by the nomadic practices of barbarians; eating meat and /img/vbsmilies/smilies/surprised.gif  barbarically drinking the milk of herd animals) pre-disposed to fail in our attempts to adopt vegetarian or vegan lifestyles?
     
  7. andy mckelvay

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    Maybe a bit of science will help explain:

    The important thing with meat is that it gives you most of what your body needs in terms of vitamins and protiens. It's considered to be a HBV (High Biological Value) food. Many fruits and vegetables are considered to be LBV (Low Biological Value) foods, due to the relative paucity of important molecules that the body needs to function.

    Vegetarian and Vegan diets tend to be lacking in a few important vitamins and minerals because of this.

    In other words our bodies are designed to eat a range of fruits, vegetables, animal products and meats. We can refuse to eat some of those on the stregnth of our convictions, but our bodies don't agree! =)

    Some molecules the body can create by using other things from our diets if it isn't already found in the food we've eaten, but others are essential, can't be replaced, and can't be obtained easily in non-meat or dairy containing diets without the use of supplements.

    Vegetarians have it a little easier than vegans, because getting a wide range of different fruit and veg into their diet alongside dairy products such as milk and eggs will cover most of the important requirements to keep the body working as it should.

    Dietary traces such as iron (present in meat, some cereals, egg yolk, and leafy greens.) and zinc (present in Meat, Dairy produce, eggs, oysters.) are important since the body needs them for haemaglobin production and the wound healing response. Easily available in meat and dairy products, as usual. =)

    As French Fries mentioned above, the iron available in supplements (and in leafy greens) isn't processed as easily by the body as the iron found in meats. This is because the supplements and plants contain ferrous or inorganic iron, which is the form that could be found in rocks or soil.
    Iron present within living things is normally part of a metalloprotien structure, such as the Haem moeity of haemoglobin, an important oxygen carrier protien present in red blood cells. Because this iron has already been metabolised by the animal that we eat it's more readily 'bioavailable' to us when we eat the meat, the body dosen't need to absorb it from the gut, process and metabolise it into a useful form.

    Vegan diets do not include vitamin B12 (Cobalamin), which is only available in animal products. It's essential for growth, metabolism, and  red blood cell production, since it affects the process of DNA synthesis. Lack of vitamin B12 can cause damage to the brain and nervous system, depression, and tiredness.

    This means vegans need to be sure to use either multivitamin supplements containing it, or eat foods fortified with it (such as yeast extracts, some cereals, etc.), and to include soya, beans, and nuts in their diets to get the range of proteins they need (wheras veggies have the simpler option of eating dairy products).





    I'm not a Nutritionist by the way, this is just my own understanding of the science behind it - I think it's right, but don't quote me! =D
     
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  8. bubbamom

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    Just my observation, but it seems that the vegans or vegitarians I've known have a "pasty" palor.  I don't know, maybe its just me.  The other disadvantage would be missing the taste of a well prepared steak or grilled pork chop.  /img/vbsmilies/smilies/smiles.gif
     
  9. petalsandcoco

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    Here is a good site you might want to look at.....

    http://www.vrg.org/nutrition/   it is just full of information. My sister is a vegetarian and  she has developed some wonderful recipes. She takes good care of herself and looks great. Does she miss meat ? No, and by way of her great interest in cooking, researching menus,  her  dishes are just so tasty that she has managed to win over her husband who is now only eating seafood and fish.

    Like all foods, balance is the key and taking the time to learn about about different  food sources and learning the  vitamins they each produce will   ensure healthy living. Its a lifestyle change.....some say its going "green".










     
     
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  10. homemadecook

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    Hi Charron thanks for the great explaination, I have read also an article that explain the type of blood where you are applicable to eat vegetable or meat . Your diet depend on the blood type you have . Some of them need to eat meat and some which less acidic are not suitable to eat meat .Great
     
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  11. homemadecook

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    ahhh yeah ! vegetable is just a supplement that help to have a good health . It  really doesnt mean that it can cure but it can prevent . Have great idea here ! I can up to the point that everything matters on  PROPER BALANCE OF  DIET.
     
  12. gunnar

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    disadvantages? lol, yeah, no bacon. otherwise I just quote my wife "In the history of man every human culture that went strictly vegetarian, died out." we are omnivores for a reason.

    Also in my opinion anyone claiming to be a Vegetarian and eats eggs or drinks milk or eats cheese is a BIG FAT LIAR WITH PANTS ON FIRE!
     
  13. siduri

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    What?  why?  Some people hate meat, some people don't want to kill any animals for food.  Eggs and milk are not meat and you don't have to kill animals to produce them.  Where's the contradiction? 

    But maybe i would say that someone against killing animals for food, would do well to think twice about the leather of their shoes or bags.
     Once when i spent a short while teaching in a high school I was sitting with a couple of students discussing something and an earwig fell on the student's lap from somewhere.  She screamed and jumped up and when the earwig fell on the floor i stepped on it.  She was horrified.  "You killed that poor helpless creature!"  I felt bad, I offended her sensibilities, maybe she was Hindu, Buddhist, I didn't know.

    A few days later she came into class wearing a leather jacket. 

    I said, hmm, what is this?  leather?  that's a cow, right?  A MAMMAL!!! and you freaked out because i killed an INSECT! 

    get this - she hadn;t thought of it!
    People can be really funny.
     
  14. gunnar

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    the cruelty to animals people don't seem to understand that mass produced eggs, milk and cheese are not exactly cruelty free. Besides do you know how many animals are killed while harvesting an acre of wheat? it's scary. I know one guy (one) who is a vegetarian for one reason only, he bit into a piece of gristle as a kid and refused to eat meat again, I can respect that. Crohns disease, i get it, restricted diet. I just get tired of the holier then thou attitude when these people are still propogating modern farm techniques and ingest animal proteins and call me a killer and out of touch. talk about living next to a river in Egypt./img/vbsmilies/smilies/rolleyes.gif  


    p.s. it's just my opinion. don't count on it to make sense all the time/img/vbsmilies/smilies/tongue.gif
     
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    Eggs are NOT vegetable, they are baby chickens /img/vbsmilies/smilies/lol.gif
     
  16. kyheirloomer

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    Only if you're a follower of Plato, Mary. Plato said that the potential and the actual are the same. But does anyone really believe that?

    Eggs are baby chickens in potential.

    Either way, what is right is that eggs are most certainly not vegetables.

    One problem with the vegetarian movement is that it attracts all sorts of true believers and trend riders who can justify any position. That's all well and good. But if you're a semi-vegetarian who eats some animal products, all I ask is two things: 1. that you tone down the halo, cuz it's kind of blinding, and 2. that you call yourself something else. If you eat any animal products than you're not a vegetarian, and claiming such status just confuses the rest of us.

    We all have examples of how ludicrous the "I'm a vegetarian" claims can be. Like the time we were on a bicycle tour of the Lake Champlain Valley, and all the other people on the tour claimed, loudly, that they were vegetarians. But that night in the inn, each and every one of them ordered salmon.

    I wondered, sotto volce, what kind of bush a salmon grew on.
     
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    Ha!  Kyh - I'm with you on the salmon bush.  Very good friends of our say they are vegetarian, which in the main, they are.    However, when we have a casual dinner at their place, one will always find tinned tuna or salmon on the table, along with kangaroo meat tartar because it is helping the environment because they are in plague proportions so that justifies it.  Pardon me but - that's just plain contradictory.

    Anyhow, back on topic, for vegetarians especially vegans, green leaf matter generally requires the addition of some form of citrus incorporated with it for the body to be able to utilise the iron in the greens, otherwise it just passes through.  And iron is the main downfall of these choices - so if that snippet of info helps someone, I am glad.
     
  18. gunnar

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    Plague size proportions? do they taste good? legal to hunt? In Crocodile Dundee (everything every American knows about Down Under/img/vbsmilies/smilies/tongue.gif) i thought they were being hunted by  poachers and it was illegal and stuff. 
     
  19. siduri

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    I know many vegetarians, none of whom are holier than thou, and some of them just hate meat.   (My daughter is of the having-bit-into-gristle school, has never tried to convince anyone of her choice, hated meat almost forever and by the way, got through an entire pregnancy with a very large baby WITHOUT any anemia to the great surprise of her doctors - since it's the combinations of foods that count in anemia, not the single dish of spinach that prevents it). 

    I know others who don;t want to kill animals, but are not trying to force their beans-and-grains diet down anyone else's throat.  They eat milk and eggs, and don't proselytize or try to make people feel guilty.  Some are creeped out by eating flesh.   Some are (rightly or mistakenly) concerned about health.  None of these (not that there aren;'t any, but none of THESE) are holier than thou. 

    Sure there are plenty of very obnoxious people who also happen to be vegetarians (and vegans).  There are also a whole lot of  anti-carbohydrate people who are outrageously smug and obnoxious.  I know many wine lovers who are quite obnoxious, and foodies who are horrendous, and fundamentalists of one cooking school or another.  Let's aim our venom at the obnoxious people, not at their food preferences. 

    I get the feeling that maybe some of the meat eaters (and i am a meat lover!) are being a bit holier than thou???
     
  20. kyheirloomer

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    There are also a whole lot of  anti-carbohydrate people who are outrageously smug and obnoxious.  I know many wine lovers who are quite obnoxious........

    No question about you being right. There are true believers everywhere. But being as this is a thread about vegans and vegetarians it just seems like they're being picked on.

    I'm rather jealous of you never having run into a vegetarian with a halo. Count yourself lucky. While every special-interest group has it's on-a-soapbox members, in my experience there are three that have more than their share of these in-your-face activists: vegetarians, organic growers and eaters, and newly emerged lesbians. And of those three, the vegetatians (oops, I'm sorry, Vegetarians) are the holiest of the thous.