apalling revelation: lobsters + crabs killed while still alive

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  1. brianshaw

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  2. mike9

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    The only thing the carapace is really good for is stock.  A greater waste is the Tomalley and the Roe.  If you put the whole operation into perspective I don't see anything going on that hasn't gone on for generations.  They are crustaceans not puppies. 
     
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  3. soesje

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    I agree with mike AND.......let's face it. When you eat animals, they have to die. There are worse things done to animals than just lobsters, for instance. Its easy for PETA to put things in a negative light.....even when I think they do good work, sometimes they take things too far and unbiaised.
     
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    It's good to see they've moved on to crustaceans after successfully bringing light to the horrible atrocities committed against "sea kittens". Yes kids, fish live in the sea and they are kittens just like that fluffy little blue eyed fur ball you love so well, so please don't kill them!

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  5. brianshaw

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    ... and whatever you do, avoid eating live oysters too!
     
  6. flipflopgirl

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    I think the next "expose" should be shot at the Acme Oyster House in NOLA.

    The horrors cannot be described......

    Shucked..placed on tray..handed off to hungry guest and then EATEN  while still ALIVE!

    I actually loose sleep over this.....not.

    mimi

    * I see that Brian and I are on the same wave length lol

    m.
     
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  7. matchabunny

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    But there's an argument to be made that encourages vegans to embrace oysters!

    (and LOL - I remember the sea kittens campaign. The website even had a "design your own sea kitten!" flash game.)
     
  8. french fries

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    In Africa, some tribes make a cut on the side of a cow to drink their blood, then they heal the cut and the cow doesn't die. Saw that on an Episode of Survivor a while ago.

    I believe whether you are a PETA activist or a die-hard meat eater, we all have our own limits as to what is shocking and what is okay, and those limits are mostly defined by our culture and how we grew up. It may seem perfectly normal for a vietnamese person to eat the still-beating heart of a snake, but for me that's a bit too much. On the other hand I have no problem picking up snails from a path during a hike and cook them for dinner, which may shock others.

    For those reasons I try to keep an open mind. I'm a die hard meat eater but that doesn't mean I would win in a debate with a PETA activist, in fact I do believe their arguments for not eating meat make more sense than my own arguments for eating meat.

    One thing that does shock me is every time I see my friends go to a discount store because they don't want to spend too much money on meat for their barbecue party, and then take advantage of the cheap prices by buying way more than they actually need, and end up throwing half of what they bought in the trash. 

    While killing an animal to eat it is not shocking IMO, the way we treat animals for mass consumption today is utterly shocking to me. So while I'm not about to turn vegan anytime soon, if PETA activists can be the whistleblowers on the state of the meat industry, I'd say they serve an important role. 

    The latest one I learned about is arsenic being routinely given to animal destined for human consumption. This is strictly forbidden in Europe AFAIK, but is routine here in the U.S.: http://www.iatp.org/blog/201112/arsenic—it’s-in-animal-feed-too
     
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  9. dcarch

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    In nature, all animals, prey or animals of prey, die in manners a thousand times more painfully. Every single one of them. No exceptions. Check it out on youtube and see how a zebra gets eaten alive, slowly by a lion, and how a lion gets chew up by a gang of hyenas.

    Those who are concerned should try to make all animals vegetarians.

    We humans are not on the very top of the food chain, not until we make all germs vegetarians.

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    As humans, we pick and choose when we want to do things the way they're done in nature, vs when we try do things differently. That makes it challenging to use the "in nature...." argument to justify our comportment. Most of the way we produce and handle food today has little or nothing to do with how animals eat in nature. 

    In nature, some animals just jump on a female and have their way with her whenever they're horny. We don't use that argument as a justification for making rape ok. That's because in many ways, as humans we consider ourselves (and behave) above animals who simply follow their natural instinct. I'm not saying we need to all stop eating meat tomorrow, I'm just saying that the argument for not eating meat isn't completely ludicrous IMO.
     
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    "-------In nature, some animals just jump on a female and have their way with her whenever they're horny. ----"

    Not meaning to go off topic. Just a very quick comment.

    Very much the opposite.

    In general, in the animal kingdom, the female makes the decision when, how, where and with whom mating is to take place. In extreme cases, the male becomes dinner after mating.

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    Ok so maybe you're right, but if anything that reinforces my point. I hope you understand that I'm not here trying to say Vegans are right. But I am here to say that IMO their arguments are not completely ludicrous as many seem to think in this thread. 
     
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    Interestingly black widows were known for that but I read recently that the studies that led to that behavior being documented were flawed because the spiders were kept contained. The females turned to cannibalism (as all spiders will) because there was not sufficient food and the males could not escape.
     
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    If you are a male spider, or a male praying mantis, during a passionate moment, don't ever say to your partner, "Honey, eat me"

    dcarch :)
     
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    I don't have a problem with vegans. They have as much right to decide what they want to put into their bodies or not put into their bodies as anyone else.  What I do find ludicrous is how fanatical groups like PETA are and their insistence that we should all hold the same beliefs as they do.  Sure, they have exposed some really atrocious things but they've also taken some of their campaigns to the extreme.
     
  16. allanmcpherson

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    Ever watch ducks mate?
     
  17. flipflopgirl

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    Yes.

    Frogs are even worse as the males sometimes all pile on while the female tries to stay afloat.

    I am the lucky one that gets to scoop 3-4 up and bury them (everytime we have a rain).

    mimi
     
  18. dcarch

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    I have no need to.

    I subscribe to a few porn channels. 

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  19. everydaygourmet

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    PETA, people eating tasty animals?, to soon? (kidding)

    As a Native American hunter gatherer was taught to take animals humanely, all for respectful treatment, BUT really PETA?, crustaceans, wtf..... 

    PETA hypocrisy

    “Even if animal research produced a cure for AIDS, we’d be against it.”

    - Ingrid Newkirk, September 2001

    versus

    “I’m an insulin-dependent diabetic. Twice a day I take synthetically manufactured insulin that still contains some animal products — and I have no qualms about it … I’m not going to take the chance of killing myself by not taking insulin. I don’t see myself as a hypocrite. I need my life to fight for the rights of animals.”

    –Glamour, (PETA Senior Vice President Marybeth Sweetland)

    According to the Virginia Department of Agriculture and Consumer Services, their 2007 ‘Animal Record’ report apparently shows that PETA killed off more than 17,000 animals since 1998,which is over 80% of animals taken into their care. Now, according to Charity Navigator (a non-profit organization dedicated to helping in evaluation of American Charities), PETA had a total revenue slightly over 30 million dollars.
     
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    I've never heard a crustacean scream in pain when I kill them. Silence of the clams.